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AOL/TimeWarner was a failure because because it valued AOL at $200B and TimeWarner at $164B. AOL was just way over-valued. It wasn't really an integration failu
by mdasen 5y ago
AOL/TimeWarner was a failure because because it valued AOL at $200B and TimeWarner at $164B. AOL was just way over-valued. It wasn't really an integration failure so much as paying too much for something. If Time Warner had bought AOL for $2B, it would have been fine. The problem is that they merged valuing AOL at 100x that when it wasn't worth it and later sold for $4.4B to Verizon.
Likewise, Yahoo/Verizon bought a lot of properties at inflated values. Tumblr wasn't worth $1.1B, but Yahoo wanted to buy one of the hot up-and-coming properties to feel relevant.
I think the big issue is the price one is paying and whether one has a plan for the purchase or if the purchase is more "but if I don't make a big move, what am I doing? I can't go wrong following trends, right?"
For example, AOL/TimeWarner was a situation of over-paying because TimeWarner was afraid that the internet was going to eat the world and they needed to stay relevant. AOL was so hot and it's easy to get swept up in the moment thinking "I need to get on board now or I'll miss it!" Likewise, Yahoo feared becoming irrelevant as Google took over the internet and thought buying Tumblr would make them the hip forward company once again.
Activision Blizard seems like a reasonable add-on for Microsoft. $69B isn't that much money for it given it would represent a P/E ratio of around 26. Apple's P/E is 30, Amazon 62, Microsoft 34, Google 26. So they aren't paying an absurd amount given Activision's profits. Even if they did no integration or strategy, Activision could simply continue doing its thing and contribute favorably to Microsoft's bottom line.
With a tiny bit of strategy, it seems clear Microsoft could get even more value out of the company. Maybe a few Xbox exclusive titles to push their console business. Maybe some stuff for their game streaming service.
If Disney has shown us something over the past few years, it's that owning IP that people like allows you to keep spinning new versions of that IP. Activision has lots of that kind of IP in the gaming space so Microsoft should be able to use that to its advantage.
I think there's a big difference between buying Activision at a price whose P/E ratio is better than your own and where there are clear strategies that could offer you even more value compared with the "omg, I'm getting left behind! I'll pay anything you want" panic purchases/mergers of other companies.
- dustintrex 5y agoTumblr could easily have been Instagram, Yahoo just had no idea what to do with it and completely missed the boat on mobile. A lot of people thought Zuck was insane when he paid $1B for Instagram, and I think we'd all agree that bet paid off pretty handsomely.
- ulfw 5y agoTumblr was dead the second they turned porn off. Simple as that sadly.
- jazzdev 5y agoDid Instagram avoid that fate by never allowing porn in the first place?
- rg111 5y agoInstagram has porn. It just blocks some body parts.
- Breza 5y agoHow did they monetize it? I've worked in digital advertising and I can't imagine the adult content would get the same CPMs as general interest.
- Breza 5y agoSee also: Flickr.
- kevin_thibedeau 5y agoAOL bought TW not the other way around.
- RC_ITR 5y agoSure, but Time Warner shareholders accepted AOL equity at an over-valued price. THAT's the fleece - Time Warner kept being a company despite AOL's failure, but the ownership shifted dramatically toward former owners of AOL. Also worth noting on the AOL/Time Warner comparisons everyone is making: Everyone knew dial-up was on the way out in 2000, they just assumed AOL would 'figure it out' because they were the current market leader. Not clear to me (other than maybe metaverse, controversially) what MSFT's looming problem they need to 'figure out' is.
- alex_c 5y agoMicrosoft's "looming problem" seems to be the $130B+ in cash they're sitting on, and finding something to spend it on?
- sumedh 5y agoThey can give the cash back to shareholders.
- WitCanStain 5y agoOr their workers.
- sumedh 5y agoI dont think MS employees are complaining about salaries, if they dont like it they can easily switch to FANG companies.
- missedthecue 5y agothe same people thanks to RSUs