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But ABP isn't there to get rid of them for you, they're there to get paid for allowing you to see them. Not only that, they're trying to weaken the other adbloc

But ABP isn't there to get rid of them for you, they're there to get paid for allowing you to see them. Not only that, they're trying to weaken the other adblockers that are there to get rid of ads for you.

Taywee 5y ago
> Not only that, they're trying to weaken the other adblockers that are there to get rid of ads for you. I'm going to need a citation for that. I don't use ABP for obvious reasons, but I don't really see them as a problem; they're effectively extorting money from advertising companies, which are absolute scum and deserve to lose any and all profits that they have made (not only for scummy business practices and an entire business model built around the worst kind of psychological manipulation and data mining, but actually convincing people that they are good for supporting a "free web" as if they are some charitable benefactors giving free money out of the good of their hearts). The enemy of my enemy is my friend. I haven't been able to suss out any way that they do any real harm to the end users, but if they do actually do harm to other ad blockers, that would be some actual harm, but I am having trouble finding any evidence of this anywhere.
- salawat 5y ago
  So... Why not support the ones that just remove it? Because you're implicitly legitimizing advertising practices (albeit at a hgher cost) by supporting these yokels.
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  - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
    > you're implicitly legitimizing advertising practices There is a middle ground of people okay with advertising, but pissed off about the nightmare that is the present state of internet ads. I use uBlock. But I’d be okay with e.g. text ads that don’t track me.
  - Taywee 5y ago
    I use uBlock Origin. I'm just saying that I see blocking ads and strong arming disgusting companies into losing some of their ill-gotten profits as not much of a bad thing. I don't see any way that ABP existing is worse for the end user than it not existing, especially if you don't even use it anyway.
    - salawat 5y ago
      It's a mindshare thing. Ultimately, courts take into account any information of an ecosystem experts bring to them. By having ABP widely used a lawyer could make the argument, or a judge could infer that advertising is an acceptable behavior, but the use of ABP is just the users signaling to advertisers that ABP content is rather preferred method. If everyone used uBlock Origin on the other hand, a compelling argument against the legitimacy of intrusive advertising becomes much more likely to be accepted in court, which is where it matters. It's sad it's come to this, but with advertising and marketing as huge active lobbying groups, the courts are one of the more even battlefields we stand to even be able to win on.
- simonbw 5y ago
  >> Not only that, they're trying to weaken the other adblockers that are there to get rid of ads for you. > I'm going to need a citation for that. I was mostly referring to the fact that they bought uBlock and made it use their “acceptable ads” program, which seems mainly like a move intended to weaken uBlock Origin, or at least leech off its reputation. Honestly I don’t really know much about them, I just know that I’d much rather support uBlock Origin than this company.
bserge 5y ago
SomeBoolshit 5y ago
It's crazy that this fundamental misunderstanding still gets repeated ever since they introduced acceptable ads. Companies pay to get their ads categorized as acceptable if they meet the criteria for that. You can't just pay to get your ads to show up. And within the browser extension, the user still has the option to block them anyway.
- simonbw 5y ago
  I don’t think I misunderstood anything. ABP still makes their money by getting people to see ads, and they still send businesses emails saying “give us money or we’ll block your ads”.

Taywee 5y ago

> Not only that, they're trying to weaken the other adblockers that are there to get rid of ads for you. I'm going to need a citation for that. I don't use ABP for obvious reasons, but I don't really see them as a problem; they're effectively extorting money from advertising companies, which are absolute scum and deserve to lose any and all profits that they have made (not only for scummy business practices and an entire business model built around the worst kind of psychological manipulation and data mining, but actually convincing people that they are good for supporting a "free web" as if they are some charitable benefactors giving free money out of the good of their hearts). The enemy of my enemy is my friend. I haven't been able to suss out any way that they do any real harm to the end users, but if they do actually do harm to other ad blockers, that would be some actual harm, but I am having trouble finding any evidence of this anywhere.

salawat 5y ago
So... Why not support the ones that just remove it? Because you're implicitly legitimizing advertising practices (albeit at a hgher cost) by supporting these yokels.
- deleted 5y ago
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- JumpCrisscross 5y ago
  > you're implicitly legitimizing advertising practices There is a middle ground of people okay with advertising, but pissed off about the nightmare that is the present state of internet ads. I use uBlock. But I’d be okay with e.g. text ads that don’t track me.
- Taywee 5y ago
  I use uBlock Origin. I'm just saying that I see blocking ads and strong arming disgusting companies into losing some of their ill-gotten profits as not much of a bad thing. I don't see any way that ABP existing is worse for the end user than it not existing, especially if you don't even use it anyway.
  - salawat 5y ago
    It's a mindshare thing. Ultimately, courts take into account any information of an ecosystem experts bring to them. By having ABP widely used a lawyer could make the argument, or a judge could infer that advertising is an acceptable behavior, but the use of ABP is just the users signaling to advertisers that ABP content is rather preferred method. If everyone used uBlock Origin on the other hand, a compelling argument against the legitimacy of intrusive advertising becomes much more likely to be accepted in court, which is where it matters. It's sad it's come to this, but with advertising and marketing as huge active lobbying groups, the courts are one of the more even battlefields we stand to even be able to win on.
simonbw 5y ago
>> Not only that, they're trying to weaken the other adblockers that are there to get rid of ads for you. > I'm going to need a citation for that. I was mostly referring to the fact that they bought uBlock and made it use their “acceptable ads” program, which seems mainly like a move intended to weaken uBlock Origin, or at least leech off its reputation. Honestly I don’t really know much about them, I just know that I’d much rather support uBlock Origin than this company.

bserge 5y ago

SomeBoolshit 5y ago

It's crazy that this fundamental misunderstanding still gets repeated ever since they introduced acceptable ads. Companies pay to get their ads categorized as acceptable if they meet the criteria for that. You can't just pay to get your ads to show up. And within the browser extension, the user still has the option to block them anyway.

simonbw 5y ago
I don’t think I misunderstood anything. ABP still makes their money by getting people to see ads, and they still send businesses emails saying “give us money or we’ll block your ads”.