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You've entirely missed the point. You need a permit to drive _on public roads_. You don't need a permit to buy a car and only drive it on private property. Plen

You've entirely missed the point. You need a permit to drive _on public roads_. You don't need a permit to buy a car and only drive it on private property. Plenty of people have project cars that they tow to a race track / drag strip and don't need to register or license anything. This is obviously NOT analogous to the 2A, where you need licenses and registrations just to buy a gun. In an analogous situation to cars, you would not need a license to buy a gun and shoot it at a firing range. So the low effort quip "lol what about drivers licenses" that adgjlsfhk1 and many others make is not reasonable.

tablespoon 5y ago
> You've entirely missed the point. You need a permit to drive _on public roads_. No, I haven't. Driving on public roads is what most people mean by "drive."
- dahfizz 5y ago
  And shooting on private property is what most people use their guns for. So you agree that the licensing situation for driving and shooting is different.
  - tablespoon 5y ago
    > And shooting on private property is what most people use their guns for. So you agree that the licensing situation for driving and shooting is different. I agree they are not precisely the same thing in all respects. However practically, the situations don't seem very different. >>> So the low effort quip "lol what about drivers licenses" that adgjlsfhk1 and many others make is not reasonable. It kind of is reasonable, given this sub-thread started with some pretty unreasonable or at least weird positions (e.g. 2A is "dead" apparently b/c everyone can't get a full-auto without a permit).
    - notch656a 5y ago
      2A is dead, 3d printing is an insurance policy. Full-auto is one of many infringements, but probably not the worst. Arguably a couple of the worst are permits just to buy a firearm (NYC), impossible to acquire permit to carry (Hawaii), and denial of civil rights to those who have finished the entirety of their sentences and probations.
      - tablespoon 5y ago
        > 2A is dead, You keep using that word... > 3d printing is an insurance policy. Is it? An insurance policy isn't something that can blow up in your face, literally and figuratively. Realistically, 3D printed guns aren't a direct solution to gun control, they're an argument for loosening it because they're proof it can't achieve some of its major aims.
        the_only_law 5y ago
        > A good insurance policy won't blow up in your face, literally and figuratively. I’ve wondered this myself. All the 3D printed things I’ve seen feel like really cheap, soft plastic. It’s hard to imagine it not exploding or at least melting from combustion like that.
        notch656a 5y ago
        Watch plastic defense [0]. 3d printed guns have come a long way. For international crowd, something like FGC-9 is closest to reliable printed firearm they can get. It is hybrid. The barrel is created by 3d-printing jigs for electro-chemical machining a standard high-pressure pipe, yielding glock-like accuracy and durability of barrel. Bolt requires some work by hand. Rest is unregulated components and 3d printed. In the US, the receiver ['firearm'] is the only component that looks regulated to the consumer. The UBAR for instance is a printed AR receiver reinforced with off-the-shelf U-bar that is extremely durable, and unless you're mag dumping or leave it in a hot car in the south or something should last thousands of round. The non-receiver parts can be bought without regulation in US. Also bear in mind here, in self defense less than 15 rounds are typically fired. >feel like really cheap, soft plastic. FDM materials like PLA+ can be resilient when kept out of heat. Nylon-X and carbon fiber reinforced materials, depending on application, can provide even more rigidity and strength. Most of the stuff you've seen printed has probably been with cheap PLA with low in-fill (faster print time, somewhat hollow inside the shape). 3d printed guns are printed with very high 99+% infill (mostly solid inside the shape) with at least PLA+ to provide much more strength. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlB2QV5wVxg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlB2QV5wVxg

tablespoon 5y ago

> You've entirely missed the point. You need a permit to drive _on public roads_. No, I haven't. Driving on public roads is what most people mean by "drive."

dahfizz 5y ago
And shooting on private property is what most people use their guns for. So you agree that the licensing situation for driving and shooting is different.
- tablespoon 5y ago
  > And shooting on private property is what most people use their guns for. So you agree that the licensing situation for driving and shooting is different. I agree they are not precisely the same thing in all respects. However practically, the situations don't seem very different. >>> So the low effort quip "lol what about drivers licenses" that adgjlsfhk1 and many others make is not reasonable. It kind of is reasonable, given this sub-thread started with some pretty unreasonable or at least weird positions (e.g. 2A is "dead" apparently b/c everyone can't get a full-auto without a permit).
  - notch656a 5y ago
    2A is dead, 3d printing is an insurance policy. Full-auto is one of many infringements, but probably not the worst. Arguably a couple of the worst are permits just to buy a firearm (NYC), impossible to acquire permit to carry (Hawaii), and denial of civil rights to those who have finished the entirety of their sentences and probations.
    - tablespoon 5y ago
      > 2A is dead, You keep using that word... > 3d printing is an insurance policy. Is it? An insurance policy isn't something that can blow up in your face, literally and figuratively. Realistically, 3D printed guns aren't a direct solution to gun control, they're an argument for loosening it because they're proof it can't achieve some of its major aims.
      - the_only_law 5y ago
        > A good insurance policy won't blow up in your face, literally and figuratively. I’ve wondered this myself. All the 3D printed things I’ve seen feel like really cheap, soft plastic. It’s hard to imagine it not exploding or at least melting from combustion like that.
        notch656a 5y ago
        Watch plastic defense [0]. 3d printed guns have come a long way. For international crowd, something like FGC-9 is closest to reliable printed firearm they can get. It is hybrid. The barrel is created by 3d-printing jigs for electro-chemical machining a standard high-pressure pipe, yielding glock-like accuracy and durability of barrel. Bolt requires some work by hand. Rest is unregulated components and 3d printed. In the US, the receiver ['firearm'] is the only component that looks regulated to the consumer. The UBAR for instance is a printed AR receiver reinforced with off-the-shelf U-bar that is extremely durable, and unless you're mag dumping or leave it in a hot car in the south or something should last thousands of round. The non-receiver parts can be bought without regulation in US. Also bear in mind here, in self defense less than 15 rounds are typically fired. >feel like really cheap, soft plastic. FDM materials like PLA+ can be resilient when kept out of heat. Nylon-X and carbon fiber reinforced materials, depending on application, can provide even more rigidity and strength. Most of the stuff you've seen printed has probably been with cheap PLA with low in-fill (faster print time, somewhat hollow inside the shape). 3d printed guns are printed with very high 99+% infill (mostly solid inside the shape) with at least PLA+ to provide much more strength. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlB2QV5wVxg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlB2QV5wVxg