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> I'm not opposed to seeing any ads; I just don't want badly behaved ones. While I support this sentiment, a definition of "badly behaved ads" which is based o

by mcherm 5y ago

> I'm not opposed to seeing any ads; I just don't want badly behaved ones. While I support this sentiment, a definition of "badly behaved ads" which is based on whether or not the advertiser paid money to some third party is just not a definition I can live with.

criddell 5y ago
That's not the definition though, is it?
- SahAssar 5y ago
  You have to pay a fee to get on to the acceptable ads list, right?
  - criddell 5y ago
    You have to pay tuition to attend MIT but that's not all you have to do to leave there with a degree.
    - cowpig 5y ago
      And did you know that you need to add or remove hydrogen ions to change the pH of a solution? Anyway, back to the conversation we were having
      - JadeNB 5y ago
        You can explain why you think it's a bad analogy, but this kind of dismissive snark helps no one.
        cowpig 5y ago
        I agree in principle but I also feel like there needs to be a minimum threshold of effort or topical relevance in a comment or the discussion becomes a kind of Gish Gallop[0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop
        Kye 5y ago
        How about a Gish Trot? Use flowery language to further confuse and it's Gish Dressage.
        vrc 5y ago
        I always have heard the “gallop” in this context pronounced “guh-LOP” with the stress on the second syllable.
        Kye 5y ago
        I've never heard it spoken in this context, but I'm also not clear on what pronunciation or enunciation has to do with it. Horses trot, gallop, and go to dressage competitions regardless of how you pronounce or stress the syllables.
        motohagiography 5y ago
        A Gish Gallop is a way of logically nesting nonsense so as to defy response and has nothing to do with horses. It's a rhetorical tactic for cranks. Person hearing gal-LUP has only heard it from the polling company, and not the equine context. The word I think you're looking for is "canter," as in three main gaits of a horse being walk, trot, and canter, with some other ones like gallop, tolt, and more obscure ones. They are defined by the number of beats in the gait. The walk has 4, trot 2, canter 3, and gallop is also 4. But to extend the dressage metaphors, a Gish Piaffe would be extravagent and showy movement that goes nowhere and stays in one spot, a Gish Passage would be where the extravagent movement is independent of the direction, etc. Dressage means "to straighten," or "to educate," so one works on the dressage of the horse, and dressage riding is riding with that intent. What people do in the olympics is ride, and it is the overall dressage of the horse that is what is judged. It's one of the few remaining sports in the olympics that is not merely a game. Source: am dressage bro. :)
        Kye 5y ago
        This is all cool, but I suspect people got the joke. English is a distressingly flexible language.
  - mundo03 5y ago
    check acceptableads.com In summary, high revenue/traffic sites do pay, small sites don't.
  - hungryfoolish 5y ago
    Only if you're a multi-million dollar corp. Not for the small guy, for e.g, https://blog.readthedocs.com/ad-blocker-update/ https://blog.readthedocs.com/ad-blocker-update/
  - diffeomorphism 5y ago
    Not really, no. You have to actually have acceptable ads (with a pretty reasonable list of requirements) and then may or may not pay some amount to have that verified. Seems pretty much in line with food labeled as "organic" or "fair trade". You can say you meet the requirements, but if you want to advertise it somebody else certifies it.
- roblabla 5y ago
  Depends on what you mean by "definition". They say[0] they only accept ads that do not disrupt the reading flow, can be distinguished from the rest of the content, and has a reasonable size (all clearly defined). (They also have more criterias, but those are the main ones). But the problem is, that is very poorly enforced in practice. Whenever I use ABP, I see ads breaking the standard everywhere. To the point where I can only assume the Acceptable Ads definition is just a deflection. And of course, there's the whole "you need to pay to get on the list" which creates some very awful incentives. [0]: https://acceptableads.com/standard/ https://acceptableads.com/standard/

by mcherm 5y ago

criddell 5y ago

That's not the definition though, is it?

SahAssar 5y ago
You have to pay a fee to get on to the acceptable ads list, right?
- criddell 5y ago
  You have to pay tuition to attend MIT but that's not all you have to do to leave there with a degree.
  - cowpig 5y ago
    And did you know that you need to add or remove hydrogen ions to change the pH of a solution? Anyway, back to the conversation we were having
    - JadeNB 5y ago
      You can explain why you think it's a bad analogy, but this kind of dismissive snark helps no one.
      - cowpig 5y ago
        I agree in principle but I also feel like there needs to be a minimum threshold of effort or topical relevance in a comment or the discussion becomes a kind of Gish Gallop[0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop
        Kye 5y ago
        How about a Gish Trot? Use flowery language to further confuse and it's Gish Dressage.
        vrc 5y ago
        I always have heard the “gallop” in this context pronounced “guh-LOP” with the stress on the second syllable.
        Kye 5y ago
        I've never heard it spoken in this context, but I'm also not clear on what pronunciation or enunciation has to do with it. Horses trot, gallop, and go to dressage competitions regardless of how you pronounce or stress the syllables.
        motohagiography 5y ago
        A Gish Gallop is a way of logically nesting nonsense so as to defy response and has nothing to do with horses. It's a rhetorical tactic for cranks. Person hearing gal-LUP has only heard it from the polling company, and not the equine context. The word I think you're looking for is "canter," as in three main gaits of a horse being walk, trot, and canter, with some other ones like gallop, tolt, and more obscure ones. They are defined by the number of beats in the gait. The walk has 4, trot 2, canter 3, and gallop is also 4. But to extend the dressage metaphors, a Gish Piaffe would be extravagent and showy movement that goes nowhere and stays in one spot, a Gish Passage would be where the extravagent movement is independent of the direction, etc. Dressage means "to straighten," or "to educate," so one works on the dressage of the horse, and dressage riding is riding with that intent. What people do in the olympics is ride, and it is the overall dressage of the horse that is what is judged. It's one of the few remaining sports in the olympics that is not merely a game. Source: am dressage bro. :)
        Kye 5y ago
        This is all cool, but I suspect people got the joke. English is a distressingly flexible language.
- mundo03 5y ago
  check acceptableads.com In summary, high revenue/traffic sites do pay, small sites don't.
- hungryfoolish 5y ago
  Only if you're a multi-million dollar corp. Not for the small guy, for e.g, https://blog.readthedocs.com/ad-blocker-update/ https://blog.readthedocs.com/ad-blocker-update/
- diffeomorphism 5y ago
  Not really, no. You have to actually have acceptable ads (with a pretty reasonable list of requirements) and then may or may not pay some amount to have that verified. Seems pretty much in line with food labeled as "organic" or "fair trade". You can say you meet the requirements, but if you want to advertise it somebody else certifies it.
roblabla 5y ago
Depends on what you mean by "definition". They say[0] they only accept ads that do not disrupt the reading flow, can be distinguished from the rest of the content, and has a reasonable size (all clearly defined). (They also have more criterias, but those are the main ones). But the problem is, that is very poorly enforced in practice. Whenever I use ABP, I see ads breaking the standard everywhere. To the point where I can only assume the Acceptable Ads definition is just a deflection. And of course, there's the whole "you need to pay to get on the list" which creates some very awful incentives. [0]: https://acceptableads.com/standard/ https://acceptableads.com/standard/