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Name a single place in US where you need a permit to buy a car or drive it on private property (which by the way, isn't an explicit right named in constitution

Name a single place in US where you need a permit to buy a car or drive it on private property (which by the way, isn't an explicit right named in constitution as keeping and bearing arms is). Permit for a protest is also utter horseshit on par with restrictions on 2A.

tablespoon 5y ago
>> wait until you learn that you need permits to protest and drive. > Name a single place in US where you need a permit to buy a car or drive it on private property Even if you don't need a permit to back your car down your driveway (after someone with a permit has brought it to your home), you still need one to drive it anywhere anyone would actually want to go. So you effectively need a permit to drive.
- dahfizz 5y ago
  You've entirely missed the point. You need a permit to drive _on public roads_. You don't need a permit to buy a car and only drive it on private property. Plenty of people have project cars that they tow to a race track / drag strip and don't need to register or license anything. This is obviously NOT analogous to the 2A, where you need licenses and registrations just to buy a gun. In an analogous situation to cars, you would not need a license to buy a gun and shoot it at a firing range. So the low effort quip "lol what about drivers licenses" that adgjlsfhk1 and many others make is not reasonable.
  - tablespoon 5y ago
    > You've entirely missed the point. You need a permit to drive _on public roads_. No, I haven't. Driving on public roads is what most people mean by "drive."
    - dahfizz 5y ago
      And shooting on private property is what most people use their guns for. So you agree that the licensing situation for driving and shooting is different.
      - tablespoon 5y ago
        > And shooting on private property is what most people use their guns for. So you agree that the licensing situation for driving and shooting is different. I agree they are not precisely the same thing in all respects. However practically, the situations don't seem very different. >>> So the low effort quip "lol what about drivers licenses" that adgjlsfhk1 and many others make is not reasonable. It kind of is reasonable, given this sub-thread started with some pretty unreasonable or at least weird positions (e.g. 2A is "dead" apparently b/c everyone can't get a full-auto without a permit).
        notch656a 5y ago
        2A is dead, 3d printing is an insurance policy. Full-auto is one of many infringements, but probably not the worst. Arguably a couple of the worst are permits just to buy a firearm (NYC), impossible to acquire permit to carry (Hawaii), and denial of civil rights to those who have finished the entirety of their sentences and probations.
        tablespoon 5y ago
        > 2A is dead, You keep using that word... > 3d printing is an insurance policy. Is it? An insurance policy isn't something that can blow up in your face, literally and figuratively. Realistically, 3D printed guns aren't a direct solution to gun control, they're an argument for loosening it because they're proof it can't achieve some of its major aims.
        the_only_law 5y ago
        > A good insurance policy won't blow up in your face, literally and figuratively. I’ve wondered this myself. All the 3D printed things I’ve seen feel like really cheap, soft plastic. It’s hard to imagine it not exploding or at least melting from combustion like that.
- adgjlsfhk1 5y ago
  I'd be fine with no gun permit needed so long as the gun never is within shooting distance of public property.
- throwaway0a5e 5y ago
  >you still need one to drive it anywhere anyone would actually want to go You mean like onto a trailer, then off a trailer, then a bunch of left turns then back onto a trailer? Because that sort of recreational use is pretty analogous to what people used to do with machine guns and mortars and stuff back in the day before they were heavily restricted.
avrionov 5y ago
I don't think that a dealership in California will allow you to leave the lot without an insurance. You can't test drive it without a driving license too.
- notch656a 5y ago
  If you finance a vehicle that is probably the case, as the financier/lien holder will impose these requirements when you sign to buy the car. If you own it outright (paid in full) then how would they stop you? Of course you shouldn't drive it on public road without insurance, but no one should care if you call a tow truck to take it to your private property. A dealership tried to do this to me when I bought a truck with cash, and I told them [politely] to get fucked (I had insurance but no proof on me as I bought it over phone). Then they finally admitted since I owned the truck outright they wouldn't stop me. > You can't test drive it without a driving license too. When you're test driving you haven't bought the car. The dealership can refuse to let you drive their car for pretty much any non-protected reason.

tablespoon 5y ago

>> wait until you learn that you need permits to protest and drive. > Name a single place in US where you need a permit to buy a car or drive it on private property Even if you don't need a permit to back your car down your driveway (after someone with a permit has brought it to your home), you still need one to drive it anywhere anyone would actually want to go. So you effectively need a permit to drive.

dahfizz 5y ago
You've entirely missed the point. You need a permit to drive _on public roads_. You don't need a permit to buy a car and only drive it on private property. Plenty of people have project cars that they tow to a race track / drag strip and don't need to register or license anything. This is obviously NOT analogous to the 2A, where you need licenses and registrations just to buy a gun. In an analogous situation to cars, you would not need a license to buy a gun and shoot it at a firing range. So the low effort quip "lol what about drivers licenses" that adgjlsfhk1 and many others make is not reasonable.
- tablespoon 5y ago
  > You've entirely missed the point. You need a permit to drive _on public roads_. No, I haven't. Driving on public roads is what most people mean by "drive."
  - dahfizz 5y ago
    And shooting on private property is what most people use their guns for. So you agree that the licensing situation for driving and shooting is different.
    - tablespoon 5y ago
      > And shooting on private property is what most people use their guns for. So you agree that the licensing situation for driving and shooting is different. I agree they are not precisely the same thing in all respects. However practically, the situations don't seem very different. >>> So the low effort quip "lol what about drivers licenses" that adgjlsfhk1 and many others make is not reasonable. It kind of is reasonable, given this sub-thread started with some pretty unreasonable or at least weird positions (e.g. 2A is "dead" apparently b/c everyone can't get a full-auto without a permit).
      - notch656a 5y ago
        2A is dead, 3d printing is an insurance policy. Full-auto is one of many infringements, but probably not the worst. Arguably a couple of the worst are permits just to buy a firearm (NYC), impossible to acquire permit to carry (Hawaii), and denial of civil rights to those who have finished the entirety of their sentences and probations.
        tablespoon 5y ago
        > 2A is dead, You keep using that word... > 3d printing is an insurance policy. Is it? An insurance policy isn't something that can blow up in your face, literally and figuratively. Realistically, 3D printed guns aren't a direct solution to gun control, they're an argument for loosening it because they're proof it can't achieve some of its major aims.
        the_only_law 5y ago
        > A good insurance policy won't blow up in your face, literally and figuratively. I’ve wondered this myself. All the 3D printed things I’ve seen feel like really cheap, soft plastic. It’s hard to imagine it not exploding or at least melting from combustion like that.
adgjlsfhk1 5y ago
I'd be fine with no gun permit needed so long as the gun never is within shooting distance of public property.
throwaway0a5e 5y ago
>you still need one to drive it anywhere anyone would actually want to go You mean like onto a trailer, then off a trailer, then a bunch of left turns then back onto a trailer? Because that sort of recreational use is pretty analogous to what people used to do with machine guns and mortars and stuff back in the day before they were heavily restricted.

avrionov 5y ago

I don't think that a dealership in California will allow you to leave the lot without an insurance. You can't test drive it without a driving license too.

notch656a 5y ago
If you finance a vehicle that is probably the case, as the financier/lien holder will impose these requirements when you sign to buy the car. If you own it outright (paid in full) then how would they stop you? Of course you shouldn't drive it on public road without insurance, but no one should care if you call a tow truck to take it to your private property. A dealership tried to do this to me when I bought a truck with cash, and I told them [politely] to get fucked (I had insurance but no proof on me as I bought it over phone). Then they finally admitted since I owned the truck outright they wouldn't stop me. > You can't test drive it without a driving license too. When you're test driving you haven't bought the car. The dealership can refuse to let you drive their car for pretty much any non-protected reason.