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With that hardware and software even $400 seems a complete rip-off.

by usbqk 5y ago

yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
The CPU/RAM/storage seem roughly reasonable for that price? And in general, I'd say it's only a rip-off if its price is out of line with what it costs to make or maybe if it's out of line with anything compatible, in which case it's beating everything else by virtue of 99% of phones not having its features (kill switches, nearly-mainline kernel, non-Android distro support) and what phones do compete on features lose on price (Librem 5) or specs (non-pro Pinephone).
- _aavaa_ 5y ago
  It looks to me like his reply is based on the assumption of using it as a daily driver and yours is more focused on it as a dev device. For me, it's not beating everything else by virtue of 99% of phones working as daily drivers out of the box. From all I've heard elsewhere, and even in comments in this thread from owners it clearly does not pass that bar.
  - yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
    It's never been marketed as anything but a development device. I don't think you can judge a device by holding it to a bar that it never set out to meet.
pmontra 5y ago
Well yes but maybe it's not so expensive if I think about it as a small desktop (and with a touch screen!) that can fit in a pocket and can be carried over between places where I have everything I need to use it. Maybe it's not even so big anymore ("160.8 x 76.6 x 11.1 mm") and so heavy ("Approx. 215 g"). Those data are from the very bottom of https://www.pine64.org/pinephonepro/ https://www.pine64.org/pinephonepro/ If I think about it as a phone it's heavy like a stone (hopefully everybody agrees), too large (probably I'm almost alone on this one) and too expensive.
- _aavaa_ 5y ago
  But you should think of it as a smartphone rather than a small desktop/laptop. That's what it's billing itself as.
  - pmontra 5y ago
    As a smartphone I'd also have to carry with me an Android one. As they write in their page "If you depend on proprietary mainstream mobile messenger applications, banking applications, use loyalty or travel apps, consume DRM media, or play mobile video games on your fruit or Android smartphone, then the PinePhone Pro is likely not for you." Furthermore I'm definitely not buying a phone that heavy.
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seba_dos1 5y ago
It's actually a very good price - even considering that you don't really pay for software there.

With that hardware and software even $400 seems a complete rip-off.

by usbqk 5y ago

With that hardware and software even $400 seems a complete rip-off.

The CPU/RAM/storage seem roughly reasonable for that price? And in general, I'd say it's only a rip-off if its price is out of line with what it costs to make or maybe if it's out of line with anything compatible, in which case it's beating everything else by virtue of 99% of phones not having its features (kill switches, nearly-mainline kernel, non-Android distro support) and what phones do compete on features lose on price (Librem 5) or specs (non-pro Pinephone).

_aavaa_ 5y ago
It looks to me like his reply is based on the assumption of using it as a daily driver and yours is more focused on it as a dev device. For me, it's not beating everything else by virtue of 99% of phones working as daily drivers out of the box. From all I've heard elsewhere, and even in comments in this thread from owners it clearly does not pass that bar.
- yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
  It's never been marketed as anything but a development device. I don't think you can judge a device by holding it to a bar that it never set out to meet.

pmontra 5y ago

Well yes but maybe it's not so expensive if I think about it as a small desktop (and with a touch screen!) that can fit in a pocket and can be carried over between places where I have everything I need to use it. Maybe it's not even so big anymore ("160.8 x 76.6 x 11.1 mm") and so heavy ("Approx. 215 g"). Those data are from the very bottom of https://www.pine64.org/pinephonepro/ https://www.pine64.org/pinephonepro/ If I think about it as a phone it's heavy like a stone (hopefully everybody agrees), too large (probably I'm almost alone on this one) and too expensive.

_aavaa_ 5y ago
But you should think of it as a smartphone rather than a small desktop/laptop. That's what it's billing itself as.
- pmontra 5y ago
  As a smartphone I'd also have to carry with me an Android one. As they write in their page "If you depend on proprietary mainstream mobile messenger applications, banking applications, use loyalty or travel apps, consume DRM media, or play mobile video games on your fruit or Android smartphone, then the PinePhone Pro is likely not for you." Furthermore I'm definitely not buying a phone that heavy.

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seba_dos1 5y ago

It's actually a very good price - even considering that you don't really pay for software there.