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> And I don't support giving illegal immigrants the right to vote, like they did in NYC. Just to clarify, that law only gave tax paying legal immigrants the ri

> And I don't support giving illegal immigrants the right to vote, like they did in NYC. Just to clarify, that law only gave tax paying legal immigrants the right to vote in local elections. No taxation without representation used to be an American principle.

BitwiseFool 5y ago
As a point of order, is a non-citizen the same thing as a legal immigrant? I assume legal-immigrant means one has obtained citizenship.
- nybble41 5y ago
  > I assume legal-immigrant means one has obtained citizenship. How do you classify a non-citizen Green Card holder? Or someone here on a work visa? Legal immigrants usually don't start out as citizens from the moment they arrive. Obtaining citizenship is a long process. In the meantime they are still residents, and taxpayers, and ought to have a say in decisions which will affect them.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > As a point of order, is a non-citizen the same thing as a legal immigrant? No, noncitizens include nonimmigrants in legal status and aliens in illegal status. > I assume legal-immigrant means one has obtained citizenship. No, it does not. In US law an “immigrant” is an alien present in the US other than one legally admitted under a designated nonimmigrant status. A citizen is just a citizen.
- dahfizz 5y ago
  You can come to America (and most countries, I imagine) on a work visa, student visa, etc without becoming a citizen. These people are now able to vote in New York. I think the confusion is around the term "immigrant". I agree that immigration implies a permanent move - i.e. you become a citizen of where you are immigrating to. However, I think most people (and media) use "immigrant" as a catch-all for someone who currently lives in country X but was not born there.
- infamia 5y ago
  "Legal immigrant" just means you're in the country legally, which in addition to naturalized immigrants (i.e. new citizens) includes permanent residents (i.e. green card), student/work visas, spouse/fiancé visas, etc.
uejfiweun 5y ago
Thanks for the clarification, I was misinformed on this issue.

BitwiseFool 5y ago

As a point of order, is a non-citizen the same thing as a legal immigrant? I assume legal-immigrant means one has obtained citizenship.

nybble41 5y ago
> I assume legal-immigrant means one has obtained citizenship. How do you classify a non-citizen Green Card holder? Or someone here on a work visa? Legal immigrants usually don't start out as citizens from the moment they arrive. Obtaining citizenship is a long process. In the meantime they are still residents, and taxpayers, and ought to have a say in decisions which will affect them.
dragonwriter 5y ago
> As a point of order, is a non-citizen the same thing as a legal immigrant? No, noncitizens include nonimmigrants in legal status and aliens in illegal status. > I assume legal-immigrant means one has obtained citizenship. No, it does not. In US law an “immigrant” is an alien present in the US other than one legally admitted under a designated nonimmigrant status. A citizen is just a citizen.
dahfizz 5y ago
You can come to America (and most countries, I imagine) on a work visa, student visa, etc without becoming a citizen. These people are now able to vote in New York. I think the confusion is around the term "immigrant". I agree that immigration implies a permanent move - i.e. you become a citizen of where you are immigrating to. However, I think most people (and media) use "immigrant" as a catch-all for someone who currently lives in country X but was not born there.
infamia 5y ago
"Legal immigrant" just means you're in the country legally, which in addition to naturalized immigrants (i.e. new citizens) includes permanent residents (i.e. green card), student/work visas, spouse/fiancé visas, etc.

uejfiweun 5y ago

Thanks for the clarification, I was misinformed on this issue.