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>1. 3D printed guns are crap. Hybrid like FGC-9 can be reliable for over a thousand rounds. Non-firearm parts added in US to a printed AR or glock receiver ['

>1. 3D printed guns are crap. Hybrid like FGC-9 can be reliable for over a thousand rounds. Non-firearm parts added in US to a printed AR or glock receiver ['firearm'] can be good for several thousand. >Huh? Being able to produce something illegally is in no way a substitute for having a right to possess that thing legally. Aight so how do I carry a glock for defense in Hawaii? How about carrying a glock for defense in DC after catching a felony for illegally importing a lobster? Can I drill a 3rd hill in an AR without asking daddy for permission? >3. Some people would like to be able to conventionally practice shooting their guns, without attracting "go to jail" attention. Aight, so tell me how I could avoid being infringed while mag dumping a lightning-link. 2A is dead, we have a patchwork of [compared to rest of world] liberal gun laws that allow you to enjoy some firearms in some situations. But it's infringed to hell, particularly if you are a 'felon' [not in the sense of a felon when constitution was written -- just walking onto a prohibited water conservation area without disturbing it is a felony in my state]. The alternative is the politics of the deed, just make it. Sure 2A would be better than mere ability to make them. But you have to live within reality. The needle isn't moving back to free of infringement. >but a law abiding citizen certainly will Well 2A says keeping/bearing a gun can't be illegal. Unfortunately state and federal laws say otherwise, and judges are happy to bend over and make any excuse to infringe, particularly against felons.

seneca 5y ago
I agree with yours points in general, but this sort of thing: > OK, grandpa is very much not up to par with what's expected here.
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tablespoon 5y ago
>> 1. 3D printed guns are crap. > Hybrid like FGC-9 can be reliable for over a thousand rounds. Crap is relative. How good is that gun compared to one manufactured using conventional techniques? In general, you're missing the point: the 2A isn't dead, since it's what allows people who aren't fools (i.e. people who have the sense to avoid doing things that could land them in jail even though they personally think they should be able to do those things) to own and use a gun. Now, if you are a fool who wants to act like the law doesn't apply to you, I can see how you might think the "2A is dead," but that's just an artifact of a foolish perspective. People like that might also want to setup a GoFundMe for their commissary account.
- HideousKojima 5y ago
  Supposedly barrels made with ECM (which takes about $200-$400 in initial investment to make, and under $20 per barrel thereafter) are about comparable to factory made barrels in accuracy. So not going to win any marksmanship competitions, but good enough for ordinary use. The FGC-9 uses ECM to make the barrel.
- notch656a 5y ago
  20 years ago you were lucky to get ten shots. 10 years you'd have been lucky to get 100. Today depending on your print, you may be lucky to get 1000. In ten years, you'll probably be lucky to get 10k (which starts to reach life of barrel). 1k is a little low vs manufactured firearms, but then again some firearms like RAS-47 (american made shitty cast AK) often last only that long. You see where this is going? [ and most gun owners probably don't even put 1k rounds through their gun ] >since it's what allows people who aren't fools (i.e. people who have the sense to avoid doing things that could land them in jail even though they personally think they should be able to do those things) to own and use a gun. I don't think I'd call say someone who got caught with a scary mushroom 10 years ago a fool for wanting to be able to defend himself and his family.
  - tablespoon 5y ago
    > I don't think I'd call say someone who got caught with a scary mushroom 10 years ago a fool for wanting to be able to defend himself and his family. I would. How well will he be able to defend his family from jail, after he's arrested for illegal possession of a firearm? If he decides he doesn't want to be arrested, how well will he do with his 3D printed gun in a shootout with the police? Will he do well enough to avoid jail time? You're engaging in some weird fantasy. The world doesn't actually work the way you might wish it to, and if you pretend it does (and take action on that fantasy) you're very unlikely to do better than a sovereign citizen does in court (i.e. fail totally, with everyone shaking their head about how nuts you are).
    - notch656a 5y ago
      Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six. IDK in what world you'd rather not have a gun when you need it because of some law that says you'll go to jail (in reality a large number of felon with firearm cases aren't pursued when it's legitimate self defense in home, and if they are the jail time is a lot less than years of life you'd lose if you were dead). The whole point of 3d guns for many people is to avoid ever entering the court system, because by procuring all unregulated components and building it themselves, it's much more difficult for them to be caught.

seneca 5y ago

I agree with yours points in general, but this sort of thing: > OK, grandpa is very much not up to par with what's expected here.

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tablespoon 5y ago

>> 1. 3D printed guns are crap. > Hybrid like FGC-9 can be reliable for over a thousand rounds. Crap is relative. How good is that gun compared to one manufactured using conventional techniques? In general, you're missing the point: the 2A isn't dead, since it's what allows people who aren't fools (i.e. people who have the sense to avoid doing things that could land them in jail even though they personally think they should be able to do those things) to own and use a gun. Now, if you are a fool who wants to act like the law doesn't apply to you, I can see how you might think the "2A is dead," but that's just an artifact of a foolish perspective. People like that might also want to setup a GoFundMe for their commissary account.

HideousKojima 5y ago
Supposedly barrels made with ECM (which takes about $200-$400 in initial investment to make, and under $20 per barrel thereafter) are about comparable to factory made barrels in accuracy. So not going to win any marksmanship competitions, but good enough for ordinary use. The FGC-9 uses ECM to make the barrel.
notch656a 5y ago
20 years ago you were lucky to get ten shots. 10 years you'd have been lucky to get 100. Today depending on your print, you may be lucky to get 1000. In ten years, you'll probably be lucky to get 10k (which starts to reach life of barrel). 1k is a little low vs manufactured firearms, but then again some firearms like RAS-47 (american made shitty cast AK) often last only that long. You see where this is going? [ and most gun owners probably don't even put 1k rounds through their gun ] >since it's what allows people who aren't fools (i.e. people who have the sense to avoid doing things that could land them in jail even though they personally think they should be able to do those things) to own and use a gun. I don't think I'd call say someone who got caught with a scary mushroom 10 years ago a fool for wanting to be able to defend himself and his family.
- tablespoon 5y ago
  > I don't think I'd call say someone who got caught with a scary mushroom 10 years ago a fool for wanting to be able to defend himself and his family. I would. How well will he be able to defend his family from jail, after he's arrested for illegal possession of a firearm? If he decides he doesn't want to be arrested, how well will he do with his 3D printed gun in a shootout with the police? Will he do well enough to avoid jail time? You're engaging in some weird fantasy. The world doesn't actually work the way you might wish it to, and if you pretend it does (and take action on that fantasy) you're very unlikely to do better than a sovereign citizen does in court (i.e. fail totally, with everyone shaking their head about how nuts you are).
  - notch656a 5y ago
    Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six. IDK in what world you'd rather not have a gun when you need it because of some law that says you'll go to jail (in reality a large number of felon with firearm cases aren't pursued when it's legitimate self defense in home, and if they are the jail time is a lot less than years of life you'd lose if you were dead). The whole point of 3d guns for many people is to avoid ever entering the court system, because by procuring all unregulated components and building it themselves, it's much more difficult for them to be caught.