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2A is dead. Learn to 3d print guns. It's very easy. It will get even easier. Some fine folks have even figured out how to make ammunition from unregulated c

2A is dead. Learn to 3d print guns. It's very easy. It will get even easier. Some fine folks have even figured out how to make ammunition from unregulated components in Europe.

tablespoon 5y ago
> 2A is dead. Learn to 3d print guns. It's very easy. It will get even easier. Some fine folks have even figured out how to make ammunition from unregulated components in Europe. Huh? Being able to produce something illegally is in no way a substitute for having a right to possess that thing legally. 1. 3D printed guns are crap. 2. Some people would like possess a gun that isn't a "go to jail card." 3. Some people would like to be able to conventionally practice shooting their guns, without attracting "go to jail" attention. The only thing that 3d printed guns and homemade "ammunition from unregulated components" is to how gun control to be a futile effort, because criminals will still have access to them even if law-abiding citizens are blocked. A criminal planning a crime might not mind points 2 & 3 above, but a law abiding citizen certainly will.
- notch656a 5y ago
  >1. 3D printed guns are crap. Hybrid like FGC-9 can be reliable for over a thousand rounds. Non-firearm parts added in US to a printed AR or glock receiver ['firearm'] can be good for several thousand. >Huh? Being able to produce something illegally is in no way a substitute for having a right to possess that thing legally. Aight so how do I carry a glock for defense in Hawaii? How about carrying a glock for defense in DC after catching a felony for illegally importing a lobster? Can I drill a 3rd hill in an AR without asking daddy for permission? >3. Some people would like to be able to conventionally practice shooting their guns, without attracting "go to jail" attention. Aight, so tell me how I could avoid being infringed while mag dumping a lightning-link. 2A is dead, we have a patchwork of [compared to rest of world] liberal gun laws that allow you to enjoy some firearms in some situations. But it's infringed to hell, particularly if you are a 'felon' [not in the sense of a felon when constitution was written -- just walking onto a prohibited water conservation area without disturbing it is a felony in my state]. The alternative is the politics of the deed, just make it. Sure 2A would be better than mere ability to make them. But you have to live within reality. The needle isn't moving back to free of infringement. >but a law abiding citizen certainly will Well 2A says keeping/bearing a gun can't be illegal. Unfortunately state and federal laws say otherwise, and judges are happy to bend over and make any excuse to infringe, particularly against felons.
  - seneca 5y ago
    I agree with yours points in general, but this sort of thing: > OK, grandpa is very much not up to par with what's expected here.
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  - tablespoon 5y ago
    >> 1. 3D printed guns are crap. > Hybrid like FGC-9 can be reliable for over a thousand rounds. Crap is relative. How good is that gun compared to one manufactured using conventional techniques? In general, you're missing the point: the 2A isn't dead, since it's what allows people who aren't fools (i.e. people who have the sense to avoid doing things that could land them in jail even though they personally think they should be able to do those things) to own and use a gun. Now, if you are a fool who wants to act like the law doesn't apply to you, I can see how you might think the "2A is dead," but that's just an artifact of a foolish perspective. People like that might also want to setup a GoFundMe for their commissary account.
    - HideousKojima 5y ago
      Supposedly barrels made with ECM (which takes about $200-$400 in initial investment to make, and under $20 per barrel thereafter) are about comparable to factory made barrels in accuracy. So not going to win any marksmanship competitions, but good enough for ordinary use. The FGC-9 uses ECM to make the barrel.
    - notch656a 5y ago
      20 years ago you were lucky to get ten shots. 10 years you'd have been lucky to get 100. Today depending on your print, you may be lucky to get 1000. In ten years, you'll probably be lucky to get 10k (which starts to reach life of barrel). 1k is a little low vs manufactured firearms, but then again some firearms like RAS-47 (american made shitty cast AK) often last only that long. You see where this is going? [ and most gun owners probably don't even put 1k rounds through their gun ] >since it's what allows people who aren't fools (i.e. people who have the sense to avoid doing things that could land them in jail even though they personally think they should be able to do those things) to own and use a gun. I don't think I'd call say someone who got caught with a scary mushroom 10 years ago a fool for wanting to be able to defend himself and his family.
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ceejayoz 5y ago
> 2A is dead Huh? Democrats couldn't move the needle even a tiny bit on gun control, even with nominal control of all three branches and stuff like Sandy Hook as a rallying cry. The most meaningful gun regulation at the Federal level in the past few decades was Trump banning bump stocks. There's zero reason to believe the current court - which is likely to be around for decades - will do anything but increase gun rights.
- notch656a 5y ago
  The needle has been moved massively in NYC, California, Hawaii, all places where you need a permit just to exercise a right. The supreme court hasn't struck down the need for a permit to exercise a right (just to buy pistol in NYC or Hawaii). Nowhere in the country can you just drill the third hole in an AR and go at it without asking for permission. Nowhere in the country can someone with a federal felony [except some white collar trading crimes] exercise their second amendment right, even if all tehy did was illegally import a lobster. Nowhere in the country can you saw a 16 inch barrel down one inch without asking daddy for permission. Several states now require universal background check just to exercise a right (own a firearm). None of this has been strucken by supreme court. 2A is dead, now we just have a legacy of fairly liberal gun laws in certain circumstances and states.
  - adgjlsfhk1 5y ago
    wait until you learn that you need permits to protest and drive.
    - notch656a 5y ago
      Name a single place in US where you need a permit to buy a car or drive it on private property (which by the way, isn't an explicit right named in constitution as keeping and bearing arms is). Permit for a protest is also utter horseshit on par with restrictions on 2A.
      - tablespoon 5y ago
thereddaikon 5y ago
2A is looking better than it has in awhile. Gun rights and shooting sports have both seen a resurgence in the last 20 years. SCOTUS is promising. And companies aren't bending over to the ATF's tyranny. Rarebreed is taking them to court over their extrajudicial rulings.

2A is dead. Learn to 3d print guns. It's very easy. It will get even easier. Some fine folks have even figured out how to make ammunition from unregulated components in Europe.

tablespoon 5y ago

> 2A is dead. Learn to 3d print guns. It's very easy. It will get even easier. Some fine folks have even figured out how to make ammunition from unregulated components in Europe. Huh? Being able to produce something illegally is in no way a substitute for having a right to possess that thing legally. 1. 3D printed guns are crap. 2. Some people would like possess a gun that isn't a "go to jail card." 3. Some people would like to be able to conventionally practice shooting their guns, without attracting "go to jail" attention. The only thing that 3d printed guns and homemade "ammunition from unregulated components" is to how gun control to be a futile effort, because criminals will still have access to them even if law-abiding citizens are blocked. A criminal planning a crime might not mind points 2 & 3 above, but a law abiding citizen certainly will.

notch656a 5y ago
>1. 3D printed guns are crap. Hybrid like FGC-9 can be reliable for over a thousand rounds. Non-firearm parts added in US to a printed AR or glock receiver ['firearm'] can be good for several thousand. >Huh? Being able to produce something illegally is in no way a substitute for having a right to possess that thing legally. Aight so how do I carry a glock for defense in Hawaii? How about carrying a glock for defense in DC after catching a felony for illegally importing a lobster? Can I drill a 3rd hill in an AR without asking daddy for permission? >3. Some people would like to be able to conventionally practice shooting their guns, without attracting "go to jail" attention. Aight, so tell me how I could avoid being infringed while mag dumping a lightning-link. 2A is dead, we have a patchwork of [compared to rest of world] liberal gun laws that allow you to enjoy some firearms in some situations. But it's infringed to hell, particularly if you are a 'felon' [not in the sense of a felon when constitution was written -- just walking onto a prohibited water conservation area without disturbing it is a felony in my state]. The alternative is the politics of the deed, just make it. Sure 2A would be better than mere ability to make them. But you have to live within reality. The needle isn't moving back to free of infringement. >but a law abiding citizen certainly will Well 2A says keeping/bearing a gun can't be illegal. Unfortunately state and federal laws say otherwise, and judges are happy to bend over and make any excuse to infringe, particularly against felons.
- seneca 5y ago
  I agree with yours points in general, but this sort of thing: > OK, grandpa is very much not up to par with what's expected here.
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- tablespoon 5y ago
  >> 1. 3D printed guns are crap. > Hybrid like FGC-9 can be reliable for over a thousand rounds. Crap is relative. How good is that gun compared to one manufactured using conventional techniques? In general, you're missing the point: the 2A isn't dead, since it's what allows people who aren't fools (i.e. people who have the sense to avoid doing things that could land them in jail even though they personally think they should be able to do those things) to own and use a gun. Now, if you are a fool who wants to act like the law doesn't apply to you, I can see how you might think the "2A is dead," but that's just an artifact of a foolish perspective. People like that might also want to setup a GoFundMe for their commissary account.
  - HideousKojima 5y ago
    Supposedly barrels made with ECM (which takes about $200-$400 in initial investment to make, and under $20 per barrel thereafter) are about comparable to factory made barrels in accuracy. So not going to win any marksmanship competitions, but good enough for ordinary use. The FGC-9 uses ECM to make the barrel.
  - notch656a 5y ago
    20 years ago you were lucky to get ten shots. 10 years you'd have been lucky to get 100. Today depending on your print, you may be lucky to get 1000. In ten years, you'll probably be lucky to get 10k (which starts to reach life of barrel). 1k is a little low vs manufactured firearms, but then again some firearms like RAS-47 (american made shitty cast AK) often last only that long. You see where this is going? [ and most gun owners probably don't even put 1k rounds through their gun ] >since it's what allows people who aren't fools (i.e. people who have the sense to avoid doing things that could land them in jail even though they personally think they should be able to do those things) to own and use a gun. I don't think I'd call say someone who got caught with a scary mushroom 10 years ago a fool for wanting to be able to defend himself and his family.
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ceejayoz 5y ago

> 2A is dead Huh? Democrats couldn't move the needle even a tiny bit on gun control, even with nominal control of all three branches and stuff like Sandy Hook as a rallying cry. The most meaningful gun regulation at the Federal level in the past few decades was Trump banning bump stocks. There's zero reason to believe the current court - which is likely to be around for decades - will do anything but increase gun rights.

notch656a 5y ago
The needle has been moved massively in NYC, California, Hawaii, all places where you need a permit just to exercise a right. The supreme court hasn't struck down the need for a permit to exercise a right (just to buy pistol in NYC or Hawaii). Nowhere in the country can you just drill the third hole in an AR and go at it without asking for permission. Nowhere in the country can someone with a federal felony [except some white collar trading crimes] exercise their second amendment right, even if all tehy did was illegally import a lobster. Nowhere in the country can you saw a 16 inch barrel down one inch without asking daddy for permission. Several states now require universal background check just to exercise a right (own a firearm). None of this has been strucken by supreme court. 2A is dead, now we just have a legacy of fairly liberal gun laws in certain circumstances and states.
- adgjlsfhk1 5y ago
  wait until you learn that you need permits to protest and drive.
  - notch656a 5y ago
    Name a single place in US where you need a permit to buy a car or drive it on private property (which by the way, isn't an explicit right named in constitution as keeping and bearing arms is). Permit for a protest is also utter horseshit on par with restrictions on 2A.
    - tablespoon 5y ago

thereddaikon 5y ago

2A is looking better than it has in awhile. Gun rights and shooting sports have both seen a resurgence in the last 20 years. SCOTUS is promising. And companies aren't bending over to the ATF's tyranny. Rarebreed is taking them to court over their extrajudicial rulings.