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Why do people pretend that what they call "cancel culture" is new and hasn't been pushed by lots of groups for decades? The religious right used it all the tim

Why do people pretend that what they call "cancel culture" is new and hasn't been pushed by lots of groups for decades? The religious right used it all the time after all.

BitwiseFool 5y ago
While "cancelling" as a phenomenon isn't new, the methods and scope of what constitutes modern "cancel culture" is much more vicious and far-reaching than mere ostracism or the oft-referenced "showing someone the door".
- JaimeThompson 5y ago
  Projects like this have been going on for years https://www.professorwatchlist.org/ https://www.professorwatchlist.org/
JadoJodo 5y ago
As a conservative-leaning person, I've pondered this juxtaposition before and come to the following conclusion: The religious right says, "We don't like what Disney/Home Depot/Google/etc. are doing, and so we're telling all of our friends to boycott them if they also hold those values". "Cancel culture" says, "We don't like what you, Joe Schmoe, are doing. As a result, we're going to tell Disney/Amazon/Google/etc. to boycott you and make you unemployable."
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- AlexandrB 5y ago
  This doesn't seem accurate. For example, The Dixie Chick backlash involved listeners calling radio stations and telling them to blacklist their music[1]: > The Dixie Chicks were blacklisted by thousands of country radio stations. On May 6, Colorado radio station KKCS suspended two DJs for playing their music. WTDR-FM in Talladega, Alabama, dropped the Dixie Chicks after more than 250 listeners called on a single day to complain about Maines's comments. That's not to mention the baying for blood that happened in the early 2000s when anyone came out against the Iraq War[2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_Chicks_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_Chicks_controversy [2] http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2017/july/19/silencing-war-criticism-the-iraq-invasion-of-2003/ http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2...
  - BitwiseFool 5y ago
    Yes, those events happened but that was over 20 years ago at this point. I often see people utilizing an argument that either minimizes/trivializes modern cancel culture by invoking either "conservatives did this in the past, just look at when they got mad at [x]" or "this is actually what conservatives have been doing the whole time". Yet, whenever I see examples like the one you have posted, they seem far more mild than some of the recent cancellations that seek to un-person someone.
    - JaimeThompson 5y ago
      Groups like the Family Research Council, Concerned Women of America, and others routinely call for boycotts and "canceling" of individuals they do not like. The FRC once even called for a boycott of Chick-fil-A in 2019 https://townhall.com/columnists/toddstarnes/2019/11/29/family-research-council-calls-for-boycott-of-chickfila-n2557152 https://townhall.com/columnists/toddstarnes/2019/11/29/famil... They do this sort of thing often.
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whatthesmack 5y ago
> The religious right used it all the time after all. I'm not sure about the accuracy of this, but it is attempting to use past bad behavior to justify current bad behavior. You can't change the past. You can do something about what's happening right now. A lot of rational people want to cancel "cancel culture" right now because of the harm it inflicts on society.
- JaimeThompson 5y ago
  They boycotts and such by those orgs are happening right now, it isn't something happening in the past.
dragonwriter 5y ago
> Why do people pretend that what they call "cancel culture" is new and hasn't been pushed by lots of groups for decades? The whole reason the term “cancel culture” was coined was to give right-wing rants about the troubling new trend of “political correctness” a veneer of novelty; it's literally the same complaints from the Right (about things the Right does just as much, but based on different ideological orthodoxy) that have been being made since the 1980s, but with a new label swapped in to the old complaints, because complaining about a new trend for 4 decades starts to show that, whatever the basis of your complaint is, it's not a disturbing new trend.

Why do people pretend that what they call "cancel culture" is new and hasn't been pushed by lots of groups for decades? The religious right used it all the time after all.

BitwiseFool 5y ago

While "cancelling" as a phenomenon isn't new, the methods and scope of what constitutes modern "cancel culture" is much more vicious and far-reaching than mere ostracism or the oft-referenced "showing someone the door".

JaimeThompson 5y ago
Projects like this have been going on for years https://www.professorwatchlist.org/ https://www.professorwatchlist.org/

JadoJodo 5y ago

As a conservative-leaning person, I've pondered this juxtaposition before and come to the following conclusion: The religious right says, "We don't like what Disney/Home Depot/Google/etc. are doing, and so we're telling all of our friends to boycott them if they also hold those values". "Cancel culture" says, "We don't like what you, Joe Schmoe, are doing. As a result, we're going to tell Disney/Amazon/Google/etc. to boycott you and make you unemployable."

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AlexandrB 5y ago
This doesn't seem accurate. For example, The Dixie Chick backlash involved listeners calling radio stations and telling them to blacklist their music[1]: > The Dixie Chicks were blacklisted by thousands of country radio stations. On May 6, Colorado radio station KKCS suspended two DJs for playing their music. WTDR-FM in Talladega, Alabama, dropped the Dixie Chicks after more than 250 listeners called on a single day to complain about Maines's comments. That's not to mention the baying for blood that happened in the early 2000s when anyone came out against the Iraq War[2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_Chicks_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_Chicks_controversy [2] http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2017/july/19/silencing-war-criticism-the-iraq-invasion-of-2003/ http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2...
- BitwiseFool 5y ago
  Yes, those events happened but that was over 20 years ago at this point. I often see people utilizing an argument that either minimizes/trivializes modern cancel culture by invoking either "conservatives did this in the past, just look at when they got mad at [x]" or "this is actually what conservatives have been doing the whole time". Yet, whenever I see examples like the one you have posted, they seem far more mild than some of the recent cancellations that seek to un-person someone.
  - JaimeThompson 5y ago
    Groups like the Family Research Council, Concerned Women of America, and others routinely call for boycotts and "canceling" of individuals they do not like. The FRC once even called for a boycott of Chick-fil-A in 2019 https://townhall.com/columnists/toddstarnes/2019/11/29/family-research-council-calls-for-boycott-of-chickfila-n2557152 https://townhall.com/columnists/toddstarnes/2019/11/29/famil... They do this sort of thing often.
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whatthesmack 5y ago

> The religious right used it all the time after all. I'm not sure about the accuracy of this, but it is attempting to use past bad behavior to justify current bad behavior. You can't change the past. You can do something about what's happening right now. A lot of rational people want to cancel "cancel culture" right now because of the harm it inflicts on society.

JaimeThompson 5y ago
They boycotts and such by those orgs are happening right now, it isn't something happening in the past.

dragonwriter 5y ago

> Why do people pretend that what they call "cancel culture" is new and hasn't been pushed by lots of groups for decades? The whole reason the term “cancel culture” was coined was to give right-wing rants about the troubling new trend of “political correctness” a veneer of novelty; it's literally the same complaints from the Right (about things the Right does just as much, but based on different ideological orthodoxy) that have been being made since the 1980s, but with a new label swapped in to the old complaints, because complaining about a new trend for 4 decades starts to show that, whatever the basis of your complaint is, it's not a disturbing new trend.