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Bernie Sanders...

Damogran6 5y ago
Who won't ever get a serious chance to debate...the structure is set up to permit Coke vs. Pepsi... not Coke v. Pepsi v. RC Cola
- datameta 5y ago
  I'd have agreed with you if Bernie hadn't been able to effectively voice his views during the Democratic Preaidential Debates in the 2020 election. And prior, in 2016, he was able to shift the collective viewpoint of the Democrats. I think he has had a tremendous impact, even if he wasn't able to go all the way.
- tharne 5y ago
  Bernie Sanders won't get a serious chance to debate because his platform appeals to a small minority of Americans and most folks don't want he's selling. Democrats make up less than half of votes and progressives are a minority of Democrats. To borrow an analogy from Jerry Garcia, Bernie Sanders is the black licorice of American politicians. Most people don't like him, but the people who like him really like him.
  - AlexandrB 5y ago
    Something like 70% of Americans support some form of "medicare for all"[1]. And as another poster mentioned Bernie was to the right of many democrats on the second amendment. I'm not sure which unpopular issues you're referring to. > Democrats make up less than half of votes Not the popular vote. Even Hillary managed to win the popular vote in 2016. [1] https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/494602-poll-69-percent-of-voters-support-medicare-for-all https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/494602-pol...
    - tharne 5y ago
      >> Democrats make up less than half of votes I was referring to registered democrats, as I believe was the article. Regarding Medicare for all, those numbers are misleading. It has 70% of support until you get into the actual details of implementation. It's the same when folks say "An overwhelming majority of Americans support higher taxes on the rich". Well yes, but those surveys tend to leave out the definition of rich, so people tend to interpret it as "Rich = Someone who makes more money than I do". This is not to advocate against medicare for all, but rather to say that it's easy to garner support for something in the abstract without getting into all the messy details that reality likes to impose.
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hirundo 5y ago
Bernie is all over the map on gun control. He's to the right of Hillary, in that he opposes mandatory buybacks. He also favors the right of permit holders to carry weapons into national parks, and he voted against requiring trigger locks on handguns. But he favors prohibition on the sale of assault weapons (including many of the most common rifles in the country) and expanded background checks. The NRA gives him an "F", but given the above that seems extreme. He does appear to be on the right of the typical Democratic candidate, but to the left of the typical GOP candidate.
- hammock 5y ago
  He's a senator from Vermont, a constitutional carry state and one of the most pro-gun states in the country. He wouldn't have survived if he was anti-2A. His positions as you note as pretty clearly "toe the party line on the limited gun issues that democrat voters pay attention to" but pro gun on literally everything else.
bushbaba 5y ago
Was a missed opportunity. I often wonder if he’s be the JFK of our generation when given the pandemic opportunity.

Bernie Sanders...

Who won't ever get a serious chance to debate...the structure is set up to permit Coke vs. Pepsi... not Coke v. Pepsi v. RC Cola

datameta 5y ago
I'd have agreed with you if Bernie hadn't been able to effectively voice his views during the Democratic Preaidential Debates in the 2020 election. And prior, in 2016, he was able to shift the collective viewpoint of the Democrats. I think he has had a tremendous impact, even if he wasn't able to go all the way.
tharne 5y ago
Bernie Sanders won't get a serious chance to debate because his platform appeals to a small minority of Americans and most folks don't want he's selling. Democrats make up less than half of votes and progressives are a minority of Democrats. To borrow an analogy from Jerry Garcia, Bernie Sanders is the black licorice of American politicians. Most people don't like him, but the people who like him really like him.
- AlexandrB 5y ago
  Something like 70% of Americans support some form of "medicare for all"[1]. And as another poster mentioned Bernie was to the right of many democrats on the second amendment. I'm not sure which unpopular issues you're referring to. > Democrats make up less than half of votes Not the popular vote. Even Hillary managed to win the popular vote in 2016. [1] https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/494602-poll-69-percent-of-voters-support-medicare-for-all https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/494602-pol...
  - tharne 5y ago
    >> Democrats make up less than half of votes I was referring to registered democrats, as I believe was the article. Regarding Medicare for all, those numbers are misleading. It has 70% of support until you get into the actual details of implementation. It's the same when folks say "An overwhelming majority of Americans support higher taxes on the rich". Well yes, but those surveys tend to leave out the definition of rich, so people tend to interpret it as "Rich = Someone who makes more money than I do". This is not to advocate against medicare for all, but rather to say that it's easy to garner support for something in the abstract without getting into all the messy details that reality likes to impose.

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hirundo 5y ago

Bernie is all over the map on gun control. He's to the right of Hillary, in that he opposes mandatory buybacks. He also favors the right of permit holders to carry weapons into national parks, and he voted against requiring trigger locks on handguns. But he favors prohibition on the sale of assault weapons (including many of the most common rifles in the country) and expanded background checks. The NRA gives him an "F", but given the above that seems extreme. He does appear to be on the right of the typical Democratic candidate, but to the left of the typical GOP candidate.

hammock 5y ago
He's a senator from Vermont, a constitutional carry state and one of the most pro-gun states in the country. He wouldn't have survived if he was anti-2A. His positions as you note as pretty clearly "toe the party line on the limited gun issues that democrat voters pay attention to" but pro gun on literally everything else.

bushbaba 5y ago

Was a missed opportunity. I often wonder if he’s be the JFK of our generation when given the pandemic opportunity.