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You may be right, but you cannot actually conclude that, because the country is 92% vaccinated and half of ICU are unvaccinated, the vaccines work. You need to

by ssl232 5y ago

You may be right, but you cannot actually conclude that, because the country is 92% vaccinated and half of ICU are unvaccinated, the vaccines work. You need to stratify at least by age, but also by comorbidities and so on. For example, it could be (not saying it is the case) that most of the ICU patients were considered too frail to be given the vaccine on medical grounds, and thus count as unvaccinated. Too many politicians make "X is true therefore Y is true" statements that cannot actually be made based on the data being cited. One thing that's been clear from the beginning is the need for nuance and consideration of the details, not just blind jumps. There are health statisticians and mathematicians that do this sort of study for a living and I wish more politicians would cite their work.

crispypotatoes 5y ago
> You may be right, but you cannot actually conclude that, because the country is 92% vaccinated and half of ICU are unvaccinated They're two separate data points, he hasn't done this He's stated separately that 92% of the country is vaccinated AND (separately) half of ICU admissions are from the unvaccinated, what it means is that that remaining 8% are responsible for more than half of the COVID hospitalisations Considering how much of a surveillance state AUS has, they likely do have the data to draw these conclusions It really does show how effective they are in also reducing the severity of the condition, which is a very important point to make
- ssl232 5y ago
  > Considering how much of a surveillance state AUS has, they likely do have the data to draw these conclusions > It really does show how effective they are in also reducing the severity of the condition, which is a very important point to make This is exactly what I was referring to in my previous comment. These are hypotheses, and professionals are needed to establish causality. This _is_ a nuanced issue, it's not simple (despite what almost everyone seems to think), and we should start ignoring simplistic sound bites on this topic.
  - crispypotatoes 5y ago
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    - ssl232 5y ago
      You're still not understanding me, so I'm going to stop replying to you.
      - crispypotatoes 5y ago

by ssl232 5y ago

crispypotatoes 5y ago

> You may be right, but you cannot actually conclude that, because the country is 92% vaccinated and half of ICU are unvaccinated They're two separate data points, he hasn't done this He's stated separately that 92% of the country is vaccinated AND (separately) half of ICU admissions are from the unvaccinated, what it means is that that remaining 8% are responsible for more than half of the COVID hospitalisations Considering how much of a surveillance state AUS has, they likely do have the data to draw these conclusions It really does show how effective they are in also reducing the severity of the condition, which is a very important point to make

ssl232 5y ago
> Considering how much of a surveillance state AUS has, they likely do have the data to draw these conclusions > It really does show how effective they are in also reducing the severity of the condition, which is a very important point to make This is exactly what I was referring to in my previous comment. These are hypotheses, and professionals are needed to establish causality. This _is_ a nuanced issue, it's not simple (despite what almost everyone seems to think), and we should start ignoring simplistic sound bites on this topic.
- crispypotatoes 5y ago
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  - ssl232 5y ago
    You're still not understanding me, so I'm going to stop replying to you.
    - crispypotatoes 5y ago