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At this stage I think they deserve to be scapegoated. A family friend of mine is terminally ill with cancer (and vaccinated), in a lot of pain. She had to give

At this stage I think they deserve to be scapegoated. A family friend of mine is terminally ill with cancer (and vaccinated), in a lot of pain. She had to give up her hospital bed to a fool who objects to vaccines and got severe covid as a result. That is not ok.

toolz 5y ago
Nationwide staffed beds are down 6-7% yet you blame an individual? What about the policies firing people with near guaranteed natural immunity for lack of compliance? How are those policy's not to blame? A single person doesn't break capacity, losing half a million healthcare workers to absurd policy does make a huge difference though. Keep in mind the nation has had two years to increase capacity and done the opposite.
- DarkWiiPlayer 5y ago
  Anybody who's okay with letting the unvaccinated die of COVID as punishment for succumbing to massive misinformation campaigns but doesn't call for the immediate resignation of every single politician responsible for the broken healthcare systems most of "the west" seems to be dealing with should seriously reflect on their reasoning. This isn't normal. People are throwing misguided citizens under the bus to protect the corruption that caused all this.
  - toolz 5y ago
    You act like people are unable to access arguments from both sides and make their own educated decisions. Take me, for example. I consider it unethical for me to take the vaccine as I've had covid twice (the second time was a very mild cold) and I'm in extremely good health. If I take the vaccine that means someone else in a poor country with bad health will not have access to that vaccine. So I would suggest vaccinating naturally immune people in no-risk demographics is quite literally going to be the cause for people dying in less advantaged countries. and before you ask, yes the US has been shipping excess vaccines to other countries for a long time now, so it does matter.
iqanq 5y ago
What is not ok is that bed capacity hasn't increased in two years. That's the politicians fault. But they don't want you to blame them for the obvious.
- croon 5y ago
  I can blame two people for two separate problems.
- hestefisk 5y ago
  Agree it is a function of a broken healthcare system as well. That said, vaccination rate and bed capacity are two different issues with separate timeframes to scale up. Adding a meaningful capacity to hospitals takes time - educating more doctors, nurses, buildings, equipment. The capacity for vaccinating everyone is already there, which, given adoption, would avoid over utilisation of beds. I would argue keeping people out of hospital is a better outcome than adding capacity for hospitalisations that could easily have been avoided.

toolz 5y ago

Nationwide staffed beds are down 6-7% yet you blame an individual? What about the policies firing people with near guaranteed natural immunity for lack of compliance? How are those policy's not to blame? A single person doesn't break capacity, losing half a million healthcare workers to absurd policy does make a huge difference though. Keep in mind the nation has had two years to increase capacity and done the opposite.

DarkWiiPlayer 5y ago
Anybody who's okay with letting the unvaccinated die of COVID as punishment for succumbing to massive misinformation campaigns but doesn't call for the immediate resignation of every single politician responsible for the broken healthcare systems most of "the west" seems to be dealing with should seriously reflect on their reasoning. This isn't normal. People are throwing misguided citizens under the bus to protect the corruption that caused all this.
- toolz 5y ago
  You act like people are unable to access arguments from both sides and make their own educated decisions. Take me, for example. I consider it unethical for me to take the vaccine as I've had covid twice (the second time was a very mild cold) and I'm in extremely good health. If I take the vaccine that means someone else in a poor country with bad health will not have access to that vaccine. So I would suggest vaccinating naturally immune people in no-risk demographics is quite literally going to be the cause for people dying in less advantaged countries. and before you ask, yes the US has been shipping excess vaccines to other countries for a long time now, so it does matter.

iqanq 5y ago

What is not ok is that bed capacity hasn't increased in two years. That's the politicians fault. But they don't want you to blame them for the obvious.

croon 5y ago
I can blame two people for two separate problems.
hestefisk 5y ago
Agree it is a function of a broken healthcare system as well. That said, vaccination rate and bed capacity are two different issues with separate timeframes to scale up. Adding a meaningful capacity to hospitals takes time - educating more doctors, nurses, buildings, equipment. The capacity for vaccinating everyone is already there, which, given adoption, would avoid over utilisation of beds. I would argue keeping people out of hospital is a better outcome than adding capacity for hospitalisations that could easily have been avoided.