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I'm aware of the shuttles limitations and the politics behind them, but the Soyuz system isn't any safer. I'm just skeptical of this sudden "ZOMG DRAGONX SAFETY

I'm aware of the shuttles limitations and the politics behind them, but the Soyuz system isn't any safer. I'm just skeptical of this sudden "ZOMG DRAGONX SAFETY WILL BE AWESOME" assumption that so many pro-privatization types seem to have. Considering how many times their rockets have blown up already perhaps its best to be not drawing any conclusions thus far.

ugh 15y ago
Whut? Soyuz has a better safety record.
- drzaiusapelord 15y ago
  Not by much. Seems like we've hit a limit of human engineering at least for the technology at that time. The idea that you can do loads better than NASA or the Russian program, safety wise, is a pretty big claim, especially considering that the Falcon series has blown up more than it hasn't.
  - nknight 15y ago
    > the Falcon series has blown up more than it hasn't. No, it hasn't. Falcon 1 has launched 5 times. The first three failed -- in likely-survivable ways. None just "blew up". The next two were successful.[1] Falcon 9 has flown twice, both successful.[2] 7 launches, 4 successes, 3 survivable failures. Your statement is objectively false. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Falcon_1_launches http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Falcon_1_launches [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcon_9#Launches_and_scheduled_launches http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcon_9#Launches_and_scheduled...
    - drzaiusapelord 15y ago
      Whoops, I thought it was 5 out of 7. So wait, you're applauding 4 out of 7 successes? Really? Look, its obvious that its too early to decide one way or another but thats a fucking rocky start to anyone who isn't a fanboy blinded by whatever allure SpaceX has. Also the disagree downvotes make you look bad. HN is turning into reddit/digg. What a shame.
      - nknight 15y ago
        Your ad hominem attacks are tiring, and in light of your apparent hatred of reddit/digg, reveal a nasty case of projection. So I'll just leave you with some early US and Soviet launch records. If you still feel like debating the matter, I suggest searching YouTube for launch failures first. There are some rather spectacular videos of rockets that actually did explode, sometimes right on the pad. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Atlas_launches_(1957-1959) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Atlas_launches_(1957-19... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_R-7_launches_(1957-1959) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_R-7_launches_(1957-1959... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Thor_and_Delta_launches_(1957%E2%80%931959) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Thor_and_Delta_launches... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Titan_launches http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Titan_launches

ugh 15y ago

Whut? Soyuz has a better safety record.

drzaiusapelord 15y ago
Not by much. Seems like we've hit a limit of human engineering at least for the technology at that time. The idea that you can do loads better than NASA or the Russian program, safety wise, is a pretty big claim, especially considering that the Falcon series has blown up more than it hasn't.
- nknight 15y ago
  > the Falcon series has blown up more than it hasn't. No, it hasn't. Falcon 1 has launched 5 times. The first three failed -- in likely-survivable ways. None just "blew up". The next two were successful.[1] Falcon 9 has flown twice, both successful.[2] 7 launches, 4 successes, 3 survivable failures. Your statement is objectively false. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Falcon_1_launches http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Falcon_1_launches [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcon_9#Launches_and_scheduled_launches http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcon_9#Launches_and_scheduled...
  - drzaiusapelord 15y ago
    Whoops, I thought it was 5 out of 7. So wait, you're applauding 4 out of 7 successes? Really? Look, its obvious that its too early to decide one way or another but thats a fucking rocky start to anyone who isn't a fanboy blinded by whatever allure SpaceX has. Also the disagree downvotes make you look bad. HN is turning into reddit/digg. What a shame.
    - nknight 15y ago
      Your ad hominem attacks are tiring, and in light of your apparent hatred of reddit/digg, reveal a nasty case of projection. So I'll just leave you with some early US and Soviet launch records. If you still feel like debating the matter, I suggest searching YouTube for launch failures first. There are some rather spectacular videos of rockets that actually did explode, sometimes right on the pad. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Atlas_launches_(1957-1959) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Atlas_launches_(1957-19... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_R-7_launches_(1957-1959) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_R-7_launches_(1957-1959... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Thor_and_Delta_launches_(1957%E2%80%931959) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Thor_and_Delta_launches... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Titan_launches http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Titan_launches