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> It serves no real purpose Oh common. You may not like it, but DRM was invented for a reason.

by Jyaif 5y ago

ipaddr 5y ago
To frustrate those who legally purchased the game? It doesn't stop piracy, it makes the pirate version higher quality.
- MattPalmer1086 5y ago
  Probably to restrict secondary markets, not to stop piracy.
- trinovantes 5y ago
  Need to boost that MAU number
- ddtaylor 5y ago
  It really depends on how you define piracy. With movies and music it doesn't work at all because they don't evolve and change over time. Once that 4K BluRay content hits The Pirate Bay it's game over. But, with games, it's a very different story. Many games have intricate design with their servers that make ripping them apart and creating standalone pirated copies extremely difficult. Even some single player games, while pirated, don't get as much adoption from the pirate community because of the ongoing patch support they receive that is usually lacking in the pirated versions.
- School-Cotton 5y ago
  It doesn’t stop piracy, but it decreases it by making it much more difficult and higher-friction. Claiming DRM does nothing is a bit like anti-vaxers claiming the Covid vaccine “doesn’t work” because the virus can still spread…
  - slothtrop 5y ago
    It doesn't do that either. Once a copy is out there, it's out there - there's no "scarcity" just because creating a pirated copy takes work. Only few individuals need go through the trouble.
- mardifoufs 5y ago
  Denuvo seems to stop piracy just fine. Even when it doesn't permanently protect a game, it usually does so for at least half a year before getting cracked. That is more than good enough, considering most of game sales happen early after launch. Some denuvo protected titles haven't been cracked for years now. If anything I think denuvo is just paving the way for a pretty gloomy future of "almost perfect" DRM. It might still be crackable, but the effort needed would be immense (or just downright impossible if you take into account the incredible resource discrepancy between the two sides). Even the mood in parts of the scene seems to have shifted towards resignation w.r.t to denuvo.
  - baud147258 5y ago
    > it usually does so for at least half a year before getting cracked. but do games where the denuvo isn't cracked early do get increased sales? I mean that's the (purported) claim that the various DRM schemes were to fight piracy, with the justification that piracy resulted in lost sales
- Koiwai 5y ago
  "It's invented for a reason", didn't say it fulfilled it's duty.
dspillett 5y ago
> DRM was invented for a reason In its current forms: to prevent secondary sales and lending, to increase primary sales. Piracy is not the reason, at least not the main one, it is the excuse they give because people won't be happy with the actual reason. If stopping piracy is the goal then we can categorically call it an utterly failed experiment.
- acdha 5y ago
  > If stopping piracy is the goal then we can categorically call it an utterly failed experiment. Are you sure about that? From what I’ve read, the studios are less concerned about stopping piracy forever than for the first few weeks when they get most of their full price sales. I’m sure shutting down secondary sales is a big benefit, too, but that’s balanced against the the fairly sharp discounts they usually start offering.
  - pdimitar 5y ago
    Sure, but stuff like Call of Duty and Battlefield have hacks and cheats literally 2-3 days after release so not sure that part of the corp's intentions is realized either.
baq 5y ago
yes. it is to line publisher's pockets. it's a nuisance for both developers and users.
- nomel 5y ago
  > it is to line publisher's pockets. Which is the reason the games were funded.
  - baq 5y ago
    note that lining pockets is much more than preventing piracy. that is just a narrative.
me_me_me 5y ago
Yes so the people that cannot afford to buy games will not buy them. I have disposable income now and buy games as its easier than pirate it from random source. DRM is thinking of old people forced onto new world.
cannabis_sam 5y ago
Yes, to placate clueless executives who actually believe they have any right whatsoever to colonize culture. Moreover, DRM is literally designed to deny you the right to use your own property (i.e. the computer you bought and paid for), by extending the ludicrous concept of “intellectual” property, which is quite literally completely imagined “property”, to restricting your use of your actual property. Why would anyone accept or agree to this kind of insane transitive ownership, where a corporation squatting on our culture can economically destroy the lives of ordinary citizens by suing them for engaging in culture? No wonder the recording industry flocked to fascist Italy in the 1930s to establish their extremist anti-intellectual cartel.
Koiwai 5y ago
This post being flagged shows that people think with their butt.

> It serves no real purpose Oh common. You may not like it, but DRM was invented for a reason.

by Jyaif 5y ago

> It serves no real purpose Oh common. You may not like it, but DRM was invented for a reason.

ipaddr 5y ago

To frustrate those who legally purchased the game? It doesn't stop piracy, it makes the pirate version higher quality.

MattPalmer1086 5y ago
Probably to restrict secondary markets, not to stop piracy.
trinovantes 5y ago
Need to boost that MAU number
ddtaylor 5y ago
It really depends on how you define piracy. With movies and music it doesn't work at all because they don't evolve and change over time. Once that 4K BluRay content hits The Pirate Bay it's game over. But, with games, it's a very different story. Many games have intricate design with their servers that make ripping them apart and creating standalone pirated copies extremely difficult. Even some single player games, while pirated, don't get as much adoption from the pirate community because of the ongoing patch support they receive that is usually lacking in the pirated versions.
School-Cotton 5y ago
It doesn’t stop piracy, but it decreases it by making it much more difficult and higher-friction. Claiming DRM does nothing is a bit like anti-vaxers claiming the Covid vaccine “doesn’t work” because the virus can still spread…
- slothtrop 5y ago
  It doesn't do that either. Once a copy is out there, it's out there - there's no "scarcity" just because creating a pirated copy takes work. Only few individuals need go through the trouble.
mardifoufs 5y ago
Denuvo seems to stop piracy just fine. Even when it doesn't permanently protect a game, it usually does so for at least half a year before getting cracked. That is more than good enough, considering most of game sales happen early after launch. Some denuvo protected titles haven't been cracked for years now. If anything I think denuvo is just paving the way for a pretty gloomy future of "almost perfect" DRM. It might still be crackable, but the effort needed would be immense (or just downright impossible if you take into account the incredible resource discrepancy between the two sides). Even the mood in parts of the scene seems to have shifted towards resignation w.r.t to denuvo.
- baud147258 5y ago
  > it usually does so for at least half a year before getting cracked. but do games where the denuvo isn't cracked early do get increased sales? I mean that's the (purported) claim that the various DRM schemes were to fight piracy, with the justification that piracy resulted in lost sales
Koiwai 5y ago
"It's invented for a reason", didn't say it fulfilled it's duty.

dspillett 5y ago

> DRM was invented for a reason In its current forms: to prevent secondary sales and lending, to increase primary sales. Piracy is not the reason, at least not the main one, it is the excuse they give because people won't be happy with the actual reason. If stopping piracy is the goal then we can categorically call it an utterly failed experiment.

acdha 5y ago
> If stopping piracy is the goal then we can categorically call it an utterly failed experiment. Are you sure about that? From what I’ve read, the studios are less concerned about stopping piracy forever than for the first few weeks when they get most of their full price sales. I’m sure shutting down secondary sales is a big benefit, too, but that’s balanced against the the fairly sharp discounts they usually start offering.
- pdimitar 5y ago
  Sure, but stuff like Call of Duty and Battlefield have hacks and cheats literally 2-3 days after release so not sure that part of the corp's intentions is realized either.

baq 5y ago

yes. it is to line publisher's pockets. it's a nuisance for both developers and users.

nomel 5y ago
> it is to line publisher's pockets. Which is the reason the games were funded.
- baq 5y ago
  note that lining pockets is much more than preventing piracy. that is just a narrative.

me_me_me 5y ago

Yes so the people that cannot afford to buy games will not buy them. I have disposable income now and buy games as its easier than pirate it from random source. DRM is thinking of old people forced onto new world.

cannabis_sam 5y ago

Yes, to placate clueless executives who actually believe they have any right whatsoever to colonize culture. Moreover, DRM is literally designed to deny you the right to use your own property (i.e. the computer you bought and paid for), by extending the ludicrous concept of “intellectual” property, which is quite literally completely imagined “property”, to restricting your use of your actual property. Why would anyone accept or agree to this kind of insane transitive ownership, where a corporation squatting on our culture can economically destroy the lives of ordinary citizens by suing them for engaging in culture? No wonder the recording industry flocked to fascist Italy in the 1930s to establish their extremist anti-intellectual cartel.

Koiwai 5y ago

This post being flagged shows that people think with their butt.