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Covid could have been eliminated at some point. We know because there are scary other viruses like ebola that are not ravaging entire world because the moment i
by lmilcin 5y ago
Covid could have been eliminated at some point. We know because there are scary other viruses like ebola that are not ravaging entire world because the moment it shows up we act decisively -- exactly because it is so deadly and scary.
Because Covid is not so scary everybody elected to wait and see how exponential growth looks like in practice. If it had 20% death rate we would have couple thousand people die of it at most.
- hoseja 5y agoThe worst crime was comrades in Wuhan denying any such outbreak is possible just before a Party meeting.
- hestefisk 5y agoOr American politicians telling their constituents that masks and vaccines don’t work.
- herbst 5y agoWe have to keep this stuff in our brain and history. The way how many leaders acted in the beginning of all this drastically changed the way we see some politics and countries. It seems that these horrible stupid decisions and lies are fading into irrelevance already
- ekianjo 5y agoNo, we had no tools to eradicate it in the first place.
- refurb 5y agoI think the draconian measures that China put in place make it very clear I could never have been eliminated. Not to mention the animal reservoirs (mink, domesticated pets, livestock). Sure we could have maintained a lockdown for years to keep infection rates minimized, but that’s not a long term solution nor a process that will lead to elimination.
- lmilcin 5y agoExcept the draconian measures that China put actually worked initially. They lost battle when entire world around them got sick and it did not make sense for China to be isolated. What did not work is other countries closing their borders immediately the moment it was known that the virus escaped China. When the numbers of sick are low you can track every individual and preemptively put everybody he spent time with in isolation. This is how we fight other viruses like ebola, successfully, even without vaccines. There still exists no vaccine for ebola. The only real mechanism to prevent it spreading is finding and isolating people. And, yes, ebola has reservoirs. And no, we are not in constant lockdown due to ebola.
- refurb 5y agoThe fact that China has a couple cities of several million on lockdown right now and still seeing rising cases is pretty much proof it didn’t work?
- lmilcin 5y agoNo, it is not. What happened initially and what is happening now are two completely different things. Nobody disputes that it is no longer possible to beat the virus. Even if China did beat the virus completely they would still be receiving fresh cases from abroad. China is in a difficult situation now, because their vaccines are completely ineffective for Omicron, because their population is so densely packed and has low health standards and because their health system is much more fragile.
- refurb 5y agoThis is just hand waving. You’re basically saying we could have beaten Covid if: a) China locked down before the virus left their country, b) if their vaccine prevented Omnicron [note: no vaccine does], c) China wasn’t densely populated, had a healthier population and better healthcare system?
- threatofrain 5y ago
- toolz 5y agoEliminating covid was never possible. Are you not aware of how many animal carriers there are or are you suggesting we could've prevented animal transmission somehow?
- skinkestek 5y agoIt could have been killed until around 18 months ago. We chose to let people travel and to not put in place the same countermeasures that China put in place.
- toolz 5y agoChina hasn't eliminated covid in human or animals. No one has.
- mdpye 5y agoSome points to consider: - ebola is transmitted via physical contact (with bodily fluids), not vapour in the air - ebola tends to be contagious only once symptoms appear, not for several days before Those two points alone make the two completely incomparable in terms of containment.