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Why artists and not open source developers? Arguably FOSS devs create far more value for society than some dingus painting stuff with his butt cheeks.

lopis 5y ago
That's, of course, your personal opinion. Most dev work brings me no value. Doesn't mean it's not valuable, but maybe I prefer to see more paintings.
sofixa 5y ago
Because art is easy to appreciate universally ( anyone can like music or a painting), and software is not. It's an abstract thing for most people. I do think it'd be a great idea to have grants / subsidies / UBI for FOSS developers. The EU is slowly walking in that direction with donations and funding a big bounty programme for FOSS they directly use.
- mypastself 5y ago
  If we’re using universality as a benchmark, more people can appreciate the advances in technology facilitated by Linux, Postgres, Git, and WordPress, than they do a lot of art, which can be culturally or linguistically specific, obscure, or highly subjective in general. Unless you’re talking about very specific art and very specific software, I don’t think universality is a strong argument.
- kybernetyk 5y ago
  >and software is not. Linux and thus Android would like to have a word with you.
  - sofixa 5y ago
    I'm fairly sure that there are more people capable of appreciating a song than even know what Linux is, let alone appreciate it. And i say this with an Ubuntu daily driver.
    - kybernetyk 5y ago
      Don’t know but very inexpensive and ubiquitous communication for everyone on the planet is right up there with the newest Justin Bieber hit imho.
      - sofixa 5y ago
        Yes, but people know about Justin Bieber. They can understand his latest hit, they can sing and dance to it. How many people know about Linux and what it enables?
        kybernetyk 5y ago
        So if it's not known it doesn't deserve a government grant/UBI? Well, then we can trash all those unknown artists and give the UBI to Lady Gaga.
dexen 5y ago
>why artists The unsaid part: "recipients are supposed to publicly laud the government": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court_painter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court_painter
- rbanffy 5y ago
  Since the entrants are selected randomly, I'd say no. Ireland has the sanest political system I've ever seen in person.
- rsynnott 5y ago
  I mean... if that's the intention it's a bit on the optimistic side. Irish artists as a group, even those who benefit from the artists' tax exemption and various grant schemes, are not exactly known for being pro-government. I'm not sure that artists in any democratic country are; arguably artists being generally pro-government would be a rather bad sign.

lopis 5y ago

That's, of course, your personal opinion. Most dev work brings me no value. Doesn't mean it's not valuable, but maybe I prefer to see more paintings.

sofixa 5y ago

Because art is easy to appreciate universally ( anyone can like music or a painting), and software is not. It's an abstract thing for most people. I do think it'd be a great idea to have grants / subsidies / UBI for FOSS developers. The EU is slowly walking in that direction with donations and funding a big bounty programme for FOSS they directly use.

mypastself 5y ago
If we’re using universality as a benchmark, more people can appreciate the advances in technology facilitated by Linux, Postgres, Git, and WordPress, than they do a lot of art, which can be culturally or linguistically specific, obscure, or highly subjective in general. Unless you’re talking about very specific art and very specific software, I don’t think universality is a strong argument.
kybernetyk 5y ago
>and software is not. Linux and thus Android would like to have a word with you.
- sofixa 5y ago
  I'm fairly sure that there are more people capable of appreciating a song than even know what Linux is, let alone appreciate it. And i say this with an Ubuntu daily driver.
  - kybernetyk 5y ago
    Don’t know but very inexpensive and ubiquitous communication for everyone on the planet is right up there with the newest Justin Bieber hit imho.
    - sofixa 5y ago
      Yes, but people know about Justin Bieber. They can understand his latest hit, they can sing and dance to it. How many people know about Linux and what it enables?
      - kybernetyk 5y ago
        So if it's not known it doesn't deserve a government grant/UBI? Well, then we can trash all those unknown artists and give the UBI to Lady Gaga.

dexen 5y ago

>why artists The unsaid part: "recipients are supposed to publicly laud the government": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court_painter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court_painter

rbanffy 5y ago
Since the entrants are selected randomly, I'd say no. Ireland has the sanest political system I've ever seen in person.
rsynnott 5y ago
I mean... if that's the intention it's a bit on the optimistic side. Irish artists as a group, even those who benefit from the artists' tax exemption and various grant schemes, are not exactly known for being pro-government. I'm not sure that artists in any democratic country are; arguably artists being generally pro-government would be a rather bad sign.