> But we need netty! And then when you add thread pools, jdbc, logging, et java.util.concurrent has threadpools and pretty damn decent at that; jdbc is a part

> But we need netty! And then when you add thread pools, jdbc, logging, et java.util.concurrent has threadpools and pretty damn decent at that; jdbc is a part of very standard jdk, logging is part of java.util.logging. Why do you need netty (which is not a part of spring either way)? In over 23y of working with Java, I have never needed spring.