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Many Americans, myself included, would deeply disagree that "freedom of Speech" translates to "can say whatever you want wherever you want." Otherwise we'd all

Many Americans, myself included, would deeply disagree that "freedom of Speech" translates to "can say whatever you want wherever you want." Otherwise we'd all opt for 8-chan style message boards where anyone can say whatever they want. It's not at all unreasonable to want a particular event to remain on-topic to the event, and not allow literally everyone to use it as their own personal soapbox for their cause of the week.

seneca 5y ago
Sure, I don't disagree with any of that. I was just taking exception with the claim that the First Amendment and Freedom of Speech are the same thing. I'm also generally on board with Freedom of Association though. I wouldn't, for instance, put up with someone screaming obscenities in my front yard simply because stopping them would violate their Freedom of Speech.
sharken 5y ago
Not an American here, in principle i agree. But in reality you can't hide the fact, that limiting freedom of speech is very much in the interest of those who want full control on what we can say. A good example is the Muhammad cartoons, which reminds us that there is a very long way to go before religions can exist peacefully. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_car...
- virtue3 5y ago
  I mean, that's exactly the point. So when we see it being limited it freaks us out.
Levitz 5y ago
Sure, I think that's fair, yet a restriction on freedom of speech, which doesn't have to be inherently bad. Going with the same kind of example: society agrees that murder, thievery and lying are bad things, yet find it justifiable to kill in self-defense, to steal in order to eat, and to lie in certain situations. I'll also say that it's very different to limit a certain type of speech than to limit speech you disagree with.

seneca 5y ago

Sure, I don't disagree with any of that. I was just taking exception with the claim that the First Amendment and Freedom of Speech are the same thing. I'm also generally on board with Freedom of Association though. I wouldn't, for instance, put up with someone screaming obscenities in my front yard simply because stopping them would violate their Freedom of Speech.

sharken 5y ago

Not an American here, in principle i agree. But in reality you can't hide the fact, that limiting freedom of speech is very much in the interest of those who want full control on what we can say. A good example is the Muhammad cartoons, which reminds us that there is a very long way to go before religions can exist peacefully. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_car...

virtue3 5y ago
I mean, that's exactly the point. So when we see it being limited it freaks us out.

Levitz 5y ago

Sure, I think that's fair, yet a restriction on freedom of speech, which doesn't have to be inherently bad. Going with the same kind of example: society agrees that murder, thievery and lying are bad things, yet find it justifiable to kill in self-defense, to steal in order to eat, and to lie in certain situations. I'll also say that it's very different to limit a certain type of speech than to limit speech you disagree with.