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Honestly don't recall hearing that about 4G...to me it was this 2G: Slow WAP internet browsing 3G: Better internet browsing, maps, basic audio 4G: Stream video

by fma 5y ago

Honestly don't recall hearing that about 4G...to me it was this 2G: Slow WAP internet browsing 3G: Better internet browsing, maps, basic audio 4G: Stream video and better audio 5G:?? All the above were known beforehand because allowed for current apps which were on broadband to be used out of the house. I would be more convinced there would be everyday application if there was current technology that is on broadband that I can take remotely.

iamstupidsimple 5y ago
Something like Stadia or Steam's remote play maybe?
ketzo 5y ago
> current technology that is on broadband that I can take remotely. I actually think that there are a couple of solid examples of this: * Console/PC videogames: people wanna play God of War on their bus ride, as evidenced by the massive success of the Switch and the growing excitement for the Steam Deck * High-quality video calling: latency and bandwidth increases in 5G are both huge for the experience of FaceTime/Skype/Discord/etc. * VR/AR: again, applications that are seriously harmed by both latency and bandwidth, and ones that have many concrete, business-value use cases in a mobile / non-living-room setting. and my "dark horse" candidate: * Machine learning applications: any "AI"-powered product or service has a quality that is pretty directly proportional to the amount of iterations it can perform. Self-driving cars have the capacity to gather gigabytes per second of environmental data; the ability to stream this data back to a central e.g. Tesla datacenter, rather than just doing procession onboard, confers a pretty serious increase to model quality.
- spi 5y ago
  I saw this mention of self-driving cars a couple of times in these comments. I'm pretty sure you don't want your self driving technology to rely on 5G connection, otherwise a sudden unexpected drop in connection quality (an antenna down for maintenance, an unmapped tunnel, an exceptionally crowded area due to a demonstration with lots of people streaming video, etc.) would also reduce the quality of transmission and maybe make the connection just impossible. What would happen in that case? I think a "local" network-free source of computing is unavoidable, and once it is available, I just don't see the point of setting up a complicated (and error-prone) infrastructure to make computations remotely when it is available and fall back on-the-fly when not. Given the amount of regulation this kind of things have to comply to, and how error-proof they must be, I wouldn't think anybody would be happy with this cascade approach...
  - 01acheru 5y ago
    I don't think the parent is saying that this remote computation is to be used for the actual driving, but that data can be sent home to have more usage patterns, to have data about edge scenarios and stuff like that.
  - bin_bash 5y ago
    my car might want to connect to traffic signals to get an idea of when they'll be turning green or communicate with the car next to me to let them know I'm changing lanes in front of them

by fma 5y ago

iamstupidsimple 5y ago

Something like Stadia or Steam's remote play maybe?

ketzo 5y ago

> current technology that is on broadband that I can take remotely. I actually think that there are a couple of solid examples of this: * Console/PC videogames: people wanna play God of War on their bus ride, as evidenced by the massive success of the Switch and the growing excitement for the Steam Deck * High-quality video calling: latency and bandwidth increases in 5G are both huge for the experience of FaceTime/Skype/Discord/etc. * VR/AR: again, applications that are seriously harmed by both latency and bandwidth, and ones that have many concrete, business-value use cases in a mobile / non-living-room setting. and my "dark horse" candidate: * Machine learning applications: any "AI"-powered product or service has a quality that is pretty directly proportional to the amount of iterations it can perform. Self-driving cars have the capacity to gather gigabytes per second of environmental data; the ability to stream this data back to a central e.g. Tesla datacenter, rather than just doing procession onboard, confers a pretty serious increase to model quality.

spi 5y ago
I saw this mention of self-driving cars a couple of times in these comments. I'm pretty sure you don't want your self driving technology to rely on 5G connection, otherwise a sudden unexpected drop in connection quality (an antenna down for maintenance, an unmapped tunnel, an exceptionally crowded area due to a demonstration with lots of people streaming video, etc.) would also reduce the quality of transmission and maybe make the connection just impossible. What would happen in that case? I think a "local" network-free source of computing is unavoidable, and once it is available, I just don't see the point of setting up a complicated (and error-prone) infrastructure to make computations remotely when it is available and fall back on-the-fly when not. Given the amount of regulation this kind of things have to comply to, and how error-proof they must be, I wouldn't think anybody would be happy with this cascade approach...
- 01acheru 5y ago
  I don't think the parent is saying that this remote computation is to be used for the actual driving, but that data can be sent home to have more usage patterns, to have data about edge scenarios and stuff like that.
- bin_bash 5y ago
  my car might want to connect to traffic signals to get an idea of when they'll be turning green or communicate with the car next to me to let them know I'm changing lanes in front of them