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I imagine less people left because of the "cries" and more because of the _actual_ hostile channel takeovers?[0][1] Not even mentioning the blocking of IRCClou

by judge2020 5y ago

I imagine less people left because of the "cries" and more because of the _actual_ hostile channel takeovers?[0][1] Not even mentioning the blocking of IRCCloud users [2] and not handling GDPR requests, despite servers and users in the EU [3]. 0: https://www.devever.net/~hl/freenode_abuse https://www.devever.net/~hl/freenode_abuse 1: https://redd.it/nyp855 https://redd.it/nyp855 2: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27495358 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27495358 3: https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1407790283308240897/photo/1 https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1407790283308240897/photo/1

rasengan 5y ago
Again, the narrative one wishes to hear, but, to be clear: [0] No different from Microsoft taking control of a repository that many relied upon. [1] There was an active spam attack going on. [x1] [2] IRC cloud deceptively labeled freenode a malicious network. Seemed fair to ban them since they were collecting rent from users that were using the network. Probably better than a libel lawsuit that we were recommended to file. [3] freenode isn't subject to GDPR. Jurisdiction is an interesting topic given the scope of this thread by the way! To be clear, I don't appreciate the perpetuation of the false narrative -- once it started to become death threats, the safety of my family elevated this to a much higher level of concern and obviously things are being investigated. As has been the same position of mine from the beginning, I continue to protect freenode and have always seeked [x2] to give ownership and control of it to the community [x3]. [x1] https://gist.github.com/realrasengan/88549ec34ee32d01629354e4075d2d48#gistcomment-3793646 https://gist.github.com/realrasengan/88549ec34ee32d01629354e... [x2] https://old.freenode.net/static/files/on-freenode.pdf https://old.freenode.net/static/files/on-freenode.pdf [x3] https://freenode.net/n/freenode/80/freenode-belongs-to-you https://freenode.net/n/freenode/80/freenode-belongs-to-you
- judge2020 5y ago
  As I said, these are reasons that people left, not a telling of a specific narrative on whether or not you did things correctly. As for GDPR, Jurisdiction is indeed an interesting topic, one that is less defined by laws and more gunboat diplomacy[0] - the US and EU understand this, but perhaps not Freenode Limited. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunboat_diplomacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunboat_diplomacy
  - rasengan 5y ago
    I think attorneys who specialize in this know better than you? Sorry for the delay in response as well, you kept changing this comment to try to sway the narrative a certain way, so I had to wait until you finished your edits to make sure my reply would make sense. Edit: In the spirit of editing comments, any continuance of this which is completely off topic is malicious at best. Best of luck to you.
    - judge2020 5y ago
      - rasengan 5y ago

rasengan 5y ago

Again, the narrative one wishes to hear, but, to be clear: [0] No different from Microsoft taking control of a repository that many relied upon. [1] There was an active spam attack going on. [x1] [2] IRC cloud deceptively labeled freenode a malicious network. Seemed fair to ban them since they were collecting rent from users that were using the network. Probably better than a libel lawsuit that we were recommended to file. [3] freenode isn't subject to GDPR. Jurisdiction is an interesting topic given the scope of this thread by the way! To be clear, I don't appreciate the perpetuation of the false narrative -- once it started to become death threats, the safety of my family elevated this to a much higher level of concern and obviously things are being investigated. As has been the same position of mine from the beginning, I continue to protect freenode and have always seeked [x2] to give ownership and control of it to the community [x3]. [x1] https://gist.github.com/realrasengan/88549ec34ee32d01629354e4075d2d48#gistcomment-3793646 https://gist.github.com/realrasengan/88549ec34ee32d01629354e... [x2] https://old.freenode.net/static/files/on-freenode.pdf https://old.freenode.net/static/files/on-freenode.pdf [x3] https://freenode.net/n/freenode/80/freenode-belongs-to-you https://freenode.net/n/freenode/80/freenode-belongs-to-you

judge2020 5y ago
As I said, these are reasons that people left, not a telling of a specific narrative on whether or not you did things correctly. As for GDPR, Jurisdiction is indeed an interesting topic, one that is less defined by laws and more gunboat diplomacy[0] - the US and EU understand this, but perhaps not Freenode Limited. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunboat_diplomacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunboat_diplomacy
- rasengan 5y ago
  I think attorneys who specialize in this know better than you? Sorry for the delay in response as well, you kept changing this comment to try to sway the narrative a certain way, so I had to wait until you finished your edits to make sure my reply would make sense. Edit: In the spirit of editing comments, any continuance of this which is completely off topic is malicious at best. Best of luck to you.
  - judge2020 5y ago
    - rasengan 5y ago