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Depends on if you look at it based on a narrative that the former-staff wanted people to hear, or if you base it on the truth [1][2]. Specifically, this person

Depends on if you look at it based on a narrative that the former-staff wanted people to hear, or if you base it on the truth [1][2]. Specifically, this person states that I was in a position to "abuse my power" at freenode, such would mean that the statements he and others made in the past saying I had nothing to do with freenode until I "came in with lawyers" untrue, no? It's probably not worth spending cycles to research, but I'll leave these links if you're interested. That said, a person simply can't defeat the cryptographically secured names of Handshake, so even if I was the boogie man, unless I have found the One Piece of Quantum CPU and harnessed its chakra[3], I'd be hard-pressed in fulfilling the boogie man role. ;) [1] https://old.freenode.net/static/files/on-freenode.pdf https://old.freenode.net/static/files/on-freenode.pdf [2] https://news.itsfoss.com/freenode-controversy/ https://news.itsfoss.com/freenode-controversy/ [3] intentionally put chakra and not haki here to make that more playful.

judge2020 5y ago
I imagine less people left because of the "cries" and more because of the _actual_ hostile channel takeovers?[0][1] Not even mentioning the blocking of IRCCloud users [2] and not handling GDPR requests, despite servers and users in the EU [3]. 0: https://www.devever.net/~hl/freenode_abuse https://www.devever.net/~hl/freenode_abuse 1: https://redd.it/nyp855 https://redd.it/nyp855 2: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27495358 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27495358 3: https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1407790283308240897/photo/1 https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1407790283308240897/photo/1
- rasengan 5y ago
  Again, the narrative one wishes to hear, but, to be clear: [0] No different from Microsoft taking control of a repository that many relied upon. [1] There was an active spam attack going on. [x1] [2] IRC cloud deceptively labeled freenode a malicious network. Seemed fair to ban them since they were collecting rent from users that were using the network. Probably better than a libel lawsuit that we were recommended to file. [3] freenode isn't subject to GDPR. Jurisdiction is an interesting topic given the scope of this thread by the way! To be clear, I don't appreciate the perpetuation of the false narrative -- once it started to become death threats, the safety of my family elevated this to a much higher level of concern and obviously things are being investigated. As has been the same position of mine from the beginning, I continue to protect freenode and have always seeked [x2] to give ownership and control of it to the community [x3]. [x1] https://gist.github.com/realrasengan/88549ec34ee32d01629354e4075d2d48#gistcomment-3793646 https://gist.github.com/realrasengan/88549ec34ee32d01629354e... [x2] https://old.freenode.net/static/files/on-freenode.pdf https://old.freenode.net/static/files/on-freenode.pdf [x3] https://freenode.net/n/freenode/80/freenode-belongs-to-you https://freenode.net/n/freenode/80/freenode-belongs-to-you
  - judge2020 5y ago
    As I said, these are reasons that people left, not a telling of a specific narrative on whether or not you did things correctly. As for GDPR, Jurisdiction is indeed an interesting topic, one that is less defined by laws and more gunboat diplomacy[0] - the US and EU understand this, but perhaps not Freenode Limited. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunboat_diplomacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunboat_diplomacy
    - rasengan 5y ago
      I think attorneys who specialize in this know better than you? Sorry for the delay in response as well, you kept changing this comment to try to sway the narrative a certain way, so I had to wait until you finished your edits to make sure my reply would make sense. Edit: In the spirit of editing comments, any continuance of this which is completely off topic is malicious at best. Best of luck to you.
      - judge2020 5y ago
        rasengan 5y ago
khm 5y ago
I look at it from the narrative that I ran a decades-old channel on Freenode, and your scripts deopped me, removed my control of the channel, and opped some rando who had never even been there before. I have no stake in any of the other posturing from either side: I had a channel with a couple hundred users, and then I did not. We had no choice but to move to another ircnet (not one operated by people dumb enough to get their network snatched from under them, either). Handshake is yet another cryptocoin grift entirely reliant on the assumption that it will never be important enough to attack. Its anti-government-control claims are equivalent to a high-school student in Tulsa bragging that Mike Tyson is afraid to fight him -- it's not that anyone is convinced Handshake is unassailable, it's just that nobody cares.
- rasengan 5y ago
  That's unfortunate about your channel - I really do wish the former staff didn't stage a hostile take over and begin their attack on freenode. It's really unfortunate, and I'm sorry for that. As for your comment on Handshake, you sound a lot like the opponents we used to face in the early days of crypto and the cypherpunk movement. That means we're getting somewhere! :-)
  - anonymoushn 5y ago
    You did that to his channel tho lmao
    - rasengan 5y ago
      > I was klined for saying "ensenga" so I wasn't around to see what really happened > You did that to his channel tho lmao Sigh.
anonymoushn 5y ago
I was klined for saying "ensenga" so I wasn't around to see what really happened

judge2020 5y ago

I imagine less people left because of the "cries" and more because of the _actual_ hostile channel takeovers?[0][1] Not even mentioning the blocking of IRCCloud users [2] and not handling GDPR requests, despite servers and users in the EU [3]. 0: https://www.devever.net/~hl/freenode_abuse https://www.devever.net/~hl/freenode_abuse 1: https://redd.it/nyp855 https://redd.it/nyp855 2: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27495358 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27495358 3: https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1407790283308240897/photo/1 https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1407790283308240897/photo/1

rasengan 5y ago
Again, the narrative one wishes to hear, but, to be clear: [0] No different from Microsoft taking control of a repository that many relied upon. [1] There was an active spam attack going on. [x1] [2] IRC cloud deceptively labeled freenode a malicious network. Seemed fair to ban them since they were collecting rent from users that were using the network. Probably better than a libel lawsuit that we were recommended to file. [3] freenode isn't subject to GDPR. Jurisdiction is an interesting topic given the scope of this thread by the way! To be clear, I don't appreciate the perpetuation of the false narrative -- once it started to become death threats, the safety of my family elevated this to a much higher level of concern and obviously things are being investigated. As has been the same position of mine from the beginning, I continue to protect freenode and have always seeked [x2] to give ownership and control of it to the community [x3]. [x1] https://gist.github.com/realrasengan/88549ec34ee32d01629354e4075d2d48#gistcomment-3793646 https://gist.github.com/realrasengan/88549ec34ee32d01629354e... [x2] https://old.freenode.net/static/files/on-freenode.pdf https://old.freenode.net/static/files/on-freenode.pdf [x3] https://freenode.net/n/freenode/80/freenode-belongs-to-you https://freenode.net/n/freenode/80/freenode-belongs-to-you
- judge2020 5y ago
  As I said, these are reasons that people left, not a telling of a specific narrative on whether or not you did things correctly. As for GDPR, Jurisdiction is indeed an interesting topic, one that is less defined by laws and more gunboat diplomacy[0] - the US and EU understand this, but perhaps not Freenode Limited. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunboat_diplomacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunboat_diplomacy
  - rasengan 5y ago
    I think attorneys who specialize in this know better than you? Sorry for the delay in response as well, you kept changing this comment to try to sway the narrative a certain way, so I had to wait until you finished your edits to make sure my reply would make sense. Edit: In the spirit of editing comments, any continuance of this which is completely off topic is malicious at best. Best of luck to you.
    - judge2020 5y ago
      - rasengan 5y ago

khm 5y ago

I look at it from the narrative that I ran a decades-old channel on Freenode, and your scripts deopped me, removed my control of the channel, and opped some rando who had never even been there before. I have no stake in any of the other posturing from either side: I had a channel with a couple hundred users, and then I did not. We had no choice but to move to another ircnet (not one operated by people dumb enough to get their network snatched from under them, either). Handshake is yet another cryptocoin grift entirely reliant on the assumption that it will never be important enough to attack. Its anti-government-control claims are equivalent to a high-school student in Tulsa bragging that Mike Tyson is afraid to fight him -- it's not that anyone is convinced Handshake is unassailable, it's just that nobody cares.

rasengan 5y ago
That's unfortunate about your channel - I really do wish the former staff didn't stage a hostile take over and begin their attack on freenode. It's really unfortunate, and I'm sorry for that. As for your comment on Handshake, you sound a lot like the opponents we used to face in the early days of crypto and the cypherpunk movement. That means we're getting somewhere! :-)
- anonymoushn 5y ago
  You did that to his channel tho lmao
  - rasengan 5y ago
    > I was klined for saying "ensenga" so I wasn't around to see what really happened > You did that to his channel tho lmao Sigh.

anonymoushn 5y ago

I was klined for saying "ensenga" so I wasn't around to see what really happened