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It doesn't seem different from "install this app" to access our services though? And clearly, this model has proliferated with fluidity.

jedberg 5y ago
Installing apps is easy, built into the phone. And comes from a curated store run by a US company. Installing plugins is well beyond the capabilities of most people, especially since the plugins for the default browsers come from a curated store run by US companies.
- salawat 5y ago
  ...Only because we (software engineers, developers, etc...) have completely failed in managing to make our field more communicable to users, and have gone down the path of complicating the hell out of things instead of nailing down the primitives and onboarding to the field. I'm not even talking any wishy washy inclusiveness mumbo jumbo either. I'm talking over complicating the boot chain, over complicating memory management/models/toolchains. Browsers are a living nightmare of complexity, and I am continuously amazed at the number of programmers who have no clue about the gory details of networking.
  - DarylZero 5y ago
    Products created for the purpose of lock-in can't invite user participation because the first thing user-participants would do is remediate lock-in.
  - blooalien 5y ago
    > … "and have gone down the path of complicating the hell out of things instead of nailing down the primitives and onboarding to the field." I've thought much this same thing myself for ages now. Not just "complicating the hell out of things" either. Complicating the hell out of things that should be simple ( or at least should be simplified, or automated, or something ). I see a lot of tedious activities in modern computing that appear to exist purely for the sake of the tedium time-wastery factor. The flip-side of the same coin is the over-simplifying or "dumbing down" of some things that really should stay "complicated" (and hidden behind an "expert mode" toggle) to the point of allowing willfully uneducated morons to repeatedly "shoot themselves in the foot" and justify blaming everyone and everything but themselves for their error. That sort of "computers should be an appliance like a toaster" mentality has contributed to a culture which seems convinced they should be able to magically jump from zero to "Hacker-Man" with no effort or learning required, the very same day they decide to "learn" programming.

jedberg 5y ago

Installing apps is easy, built into the phone. And comes from a curated store run by a US company. Installing plugins is well beyond the capabilities of most people, especially since the plugins for the default browsers come from a curated store run by US companies.

salawat 5y ago
...Only because we (software engineers, developers, etc...) have completely failed in managing to make our field more communicable to users, and have gone down the path of complicating the hell out of things instead of nailing down the primitives and onboarding to the field. I'm not even talking any wishy washy inclusiveness mumbo jumbo either. I'm talking over complicating the boot chain, over complicating memory management/models/toolchains. Browsers are a living nightmare of complexity, and I am continuously amazed at the number of programmers who have no clue about the gory details of networking.
- DarylZero 5y ago
  Products created for the purpose of lock-in can't invite user participation because the first thing user-participants would do is remediate lock-in.
- blooalien 5y ago
  > … "and have gone down the path of complicating the hell out of things instead of nailing down the primitives and onboarding to the field." I've thought much this same thing myself for ages now. Not just "complicating the hell out of things" either. Complicating the hell out of things that should be simple ( or at least should be simplified, or automated, or something ). I see a lot of tedious activities in modern computing that appear to exist purely for the sake of the tedium time-wastery factor. The flip-side of the same coin is the over-simplifying or "dumbing down" of some things that really should stay "complicated" (and hidden behind an "expert mode" toggle) to the point of allowing willfully uneducated morons to repeatedly "shoot themselves in the foot" and justify blaming everyone and everything but themselves for their error. That sort of "computers should be an appliance like a toaster" mentality has contributed to a culture which seems convinced they should be able to magically jump from zero to "Hacker-Man" with no effort or learning required, the very same day they decide to "learn" programming.