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>> then I don't see why the supply of those jobs would change Are you not underestimating just how radical a change UBI would be? You’re going to radically cha

>> then I don't see why the supply of those jobs would change Are you not underestimating just how radical a change UBI would be? You’re going to radically change which jobs are viable. For example, if you pay every teacher UBI, is it a stretch to imagine more than half decide not to go into work tomorrow? It’s not just a case of paying teachers more when they can afford to say no to your job. You’re talking about completely changing the role. There’s going to be zero room for unruly kids in that classroom. Suddenly the teacher flips from being one of the least powerful professions to being up there with doctors and lawyers (im aware in some societies this is already the case but not in the US).

tekknik 5y ago
> There’s going to be zero room for unruly kids in that classroom. How come multiple times now people point out UBI as being a way to deal with the entitled people running around right now? And with more entitlements we’ll have more of an issue with entitled people.
- CraigJPerry 5y ago
  >> And with more entitlements With more money in some cases and less in others. Entitlements, that’s far too broad an umbrella. What exactly would you be entitled to beyond sufficient money to make a basic living and pursue the free pleasures in life (which are generally among the best available in life). What’s more fulfilling, spending $130k to ride the vomit comet for a couple of hours - i say this as someone who would LOVE to do that - or hiking to the top of a local mountain with a loved one to watch a sunrise? Vomit comet is COOL but it’s not fulfilling. Not in the meaningful way that time spent with a loved one enjoying the beauty of life is. But back to the entitlements - why is a teacher going to agree to teach an unruly kid? They don’t need this job. They’re here because it’s a passion in life, they’ve chosen a career not of necessity but of interest.
  - tekknik 5y ago
    > But back to the entitlements - why is a teacher going to agree to teach an unruly kid? You missed my point, the kid is unruly because of the entitled attitudes running around this country. If you pay people UBI, it doesn’t fix this, it exacerbates it. Fix the entitled attitude by making people earn what they get instead of handing it to them and maybe we’ll fix that attitude and not have to destroy our economy?
    - CraigJPerry 5y ago
      >> it exacerbates it If you're behaving in an entitled way, and you're told - i'm sorry you're not welcome here. Having sufficient dollars is not enough for entry to my classroom - then what's the problem with them continuing to be entitled off on their own elsewhere? When society is no longer driven by profit, then other forms of exchange become relatively more important again. It'd be no bad thing if basic decency to other humans was a requirement to access services you'd like to consume. >> Fix the entitled attitude by making people earn what they get instead of handing it to them and maybe we’ll fix that attitude If this idea were true, it would have happened already.
      - tekknik 5y ago
        > If you're behaving in an entitled way, and you're told - i'm sorry you're not welcome here. Having sufficient dollars is not enough for entry to my classroom - then what's the problem with them continuing to be entitled off on their own elsewhere? And this requires giving everybody money instead of just fixing the entitled attitudes by kicking them out of your store? Why are we choosing the most expensive path? > If this idea were true, it would have happened already. Because we have actually addressed the entitlement and not fed it right?

tekknik 5y ago

> There’s going to be zero room for unruly kids in that classroom. How come multiple times now people point out UBI as being a way to deal with the entitled people running around right now? And with more entitlements we’ll have more of an issue with entitled people.

CraigJPerry 5y ago
>> And with more entitlements With more money in some cases and less in others. Entitlements, that’s far too broad an umbrella. What exactly would you be entitled to beyond sufficient money to make a basic living and pursue the free pleasures in life (which are generally among the best available in life). What’s more fulfilling, spending $130k to ride the vomit comet for a couple of hours - i say this as someone who would LOVE to do that - or hiking to the top of a local mountain with a loved one to watch a sunrise? Vomit comet is COOL but it’s not fulfilling. Not in the meaningful way that time spent with a loved one enjoying the beauty of life is. But back to the entitlements - why is a teacher going to agree to teach an unruly kid? They don’t need this job. They’re here because it’s a passion in life, they’ve chosen a career not of necessity but of interest.
- tekknik 5y ago
  > But back to the entitlements - why is a teacher going to agree to teach an unruly kid? You missed my point, the kid is unruly because of the entitled attitudes running around this country. If you pay people UBI, it doesn’t fix this, it exacerbates it. Fix the entitled attitude by making people earn what they get instead of handing it to them and maybe we’ll fix that attitude and not have to destroy our economy?
  - CraigJPerry 5y ago
    >> it exacerbates it If you're behaving in an entitled way, and you're told - i'm sorry you're not welcome here. Having sufficient dollars is not enough for entry to my classroom - then what's the problem with them continuing to be entitled off on their own elsewhere? When society is no longer driven by profit, then other forms of exchange become relatively more important again. It'd be no bad thing if basic decency to other humans was a requirement to access services you'd like to consume. >> Fix the entitled attitude by making people earn what they get instead of handing it to them and maybe we’ll fix that attitude If this idea were true, it would have happened already.
    - tekknik 5y ago
      > If you're behaving in an entitled way, and you're told - i'm sorry you're not welcome here. Having sufficient dollars is not enough for entry to my classroom - then what's the problem with them continuing to be entitled off on their own elsewhere? And this requires giving everybody money instead of just fixing the entitled attitudes by kicking them out of your store? Why are we choosing the most expensive path? > If this idea were true, it would have happened already. Because we have actually addressed the entitlement and not fed it right?