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having been there (last was in the fray 7 years ago now... geeze time flies) here are my thoughts: 1. These are all technological developments, not scientific
by dnautics 5y ago
having been there (last was in the fray 7 years ago now... geeze time flies) here are my thoughts:
1. These are all technological developments, not scientific developments. Even MRNA-vaccines leading edge stuff was being built when I was in grad school (20 years ago). So judging by what technical developments are coming out now, may be a lagging indicator on science.
2-1: Absolutely correct. Out of 10 years in science I only did 1 "officially on what we were funded to do". The other nine were on sneakily independent shit, or on fully independent (hard money) experiments.
2-2: No comment either way, have no experience with 'methods development' at least in the sense that he's talking about.
2-3: correct in the short term but wrong in the long term. If you are foolish enough to be a postdoc that puts everything into the science, you won't get promoted, so your track record of being a good scientist ends on the vine.
3. Correct in the short term but wrong in the long. I did exactly this but couldn't keep going because being a postdoc was terminal for me.
4. Correct. I tick off at least four of these bullets, including "unwelcome demographics".
5-12. All correct, without much else to add. Well said!
The biggest problem in sciences (biological) in the US is that we let the good quality scientists burn out and quit, and those who advance are mostly people who are playing the game (with a negative selection for those who are actually good scientists, because playing the game is so competitive at this point that it burns time effort and brainspace). This is a leadership defect. We don't give professors instructions on how to groom, including putting time, effort, and political capital into their grad students and postdocs to become lab leaders in their own right (if that is what they want)
One thing that the author does not (and cannot) address is deep knowledge, or thinking about things from first principles, a la feynman or musk. I think as we have more and more interdisciplinary scientists jumping in at the interdisciplinary level, we're already in an era where diletanttery (especially in trendy science mashups like biophysics) is high. This will further dilute expertise and make it hard to separate the wheat from the lemons. Once had a coworker grad student think you could drop a bacterial plasmid into a mammalian cell and get protein expression. I told him I would do it for him, but "I did not think that would work". He then confidently reported a positive observation (which, thank god, did not make it into any sort of publication). Dude is now a associate professor of genome sciences at university of washington.
- analog31 5y ago>>>> 1. These are all technological developments, not scientific developments. Even MRNA-vaccines leading edge stuff was being built when I was in grad school (20 years ago). So judging by what technical developments are coming out now, may be a lagging indicator on science. I'm not a life scientist, but a physicist developing scientific equipment. My impression is that every branch of "science" has a technological side, to an extent that varies from one branch to another. Making and testing new therapies has been undertaken under the umbrella of life science for a long time. I think one reason is that the same "hands" that are good at doing the basic science work are also needed for technology work in those fields. Another is that the underlying science isn't robust enough to expect a scientific development to be handed off to an engineering department without needing to learn more science along the way. It's not like physics, where a mainstream engineer working on a technology is highly unlikely to discover gaps in physics theory.
- dnautics 5y agoI think the "biology gonna biology" is often a bit overplayed. A friend of mine was a high level manager at a certain petrochem's biotech arm and they ran into a bottleneck that was erratic. My friend kept saying "hey guys it's probably this" but they refused to listen to her and they went on a year long saga to search for the problem, including a full DOE (design of experiments) analysis. It turned out she was right. And thn the petrochemical company lost a major lawsuit about an accident they had caused and so they didn't need a green washing campaign anymore, and the department was shuttered.
- panabee 5y ago2-1 is fascinating. thanks for sharing. what percentage of grant budgets "pad" for unofficial research, in your opinion? this implies actual research could cost less and be allocated in smaller chunks if we tolerated higher risk and funded scientists more liberally. decomposing the funding process into smaller "functions" would offer several benefits over the current model of one monolithic grant.
- amirkdv 5y ago> as we have more and more interdisciplinary scientists jumping in at the interdisciplinary level, we're already in an era where diletanttery (especially in trendy science mashups like biophysics) is high Once heard a bioinformatics (CS) PhD candidate say "natural selection would remove a region of the genome if it didn't have biological function". They graduated with a thesis having to do with genome evolution.