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Exactly. Part of the appeal of UBI is that it doesn't come with a ton of bureaucratic overhead.

ChrisLomont 5y ago
Look up and demonstrate this "ton of bureaucratic overhead". All US programs have efficiency ratings you can find. There is not the overhead you (and UBI people in general) claim. Pick the system you think is most inefficient, then look up to find admin budget versus money paid out. I've done all this, under the same initial belief you have, and it's simply not true. And UBI will also require the same overhead to collect and dole out - it is simply a different tax redistribution method than current ones, and will not be zero overhad.
- hooande 5y ago
  You've made claims up and down this thread that amount to "trust me" or "look it up". None of these are simple factual matters like "What is the capital of Egypt?". There are numerous studies about basic income, all driven by different assumptions and biases. No one knows exactly which one you're referring to when you say "look it up". It's impossible to have a detailed discussion when everyone isn't evaluating the same information. If you can tell us the % of bureaucratic overhead that's consumed by the US welfare system, then please do so. Otherwise you can simply say nothing.
  - ChrisLomont 5y ago
    There's others that have posted the % overhead for various programs in this thread. There is so much nonsense repeated here that for me to look up everything, which I have done in the past, would not be worth the time. Take a moment to pick one thing I claimed, check it carefully. > None of these are simple factual matters How much is spent by any welfare program is a simple fact. The budget spent to administer that is a simple fact. Thus the overhead is a simple fact. And I have never looked into one and found this massive overhead UBI people claim. Edit: from the first term I searched for https://www.cbpp.org/research/romneys-charge-that-most-federal-low-income-spending-goes-for-overhead-and-bureaucrats-is https://www.cbpp.org/research/romneys-charge-that-most-feder... And even with throwing all that small overhead into UBI for free, and assuming UBI has zero overhead.... The number are still not going to work, or, as I started with, will screw those already needing assistance.
- wefarrell 5y ago
  You're confusing federal programs (like Medicare and Social Security) which tend to be transparent, efficient, and universal with state run programs (like Medicaid, SNAP) that make up the bulk of welfare spending. You're not going to find a straightforward answer about to the administrative budgets of SNAP or Medicaid.
  - criddell 5y ago
    The person you replied to posted a link in a sibling comment that shows 90% of combined Federal and State SNAP money is spend on food. From that link: > Eight percent of total federal- and state-funded costs went for administration, less than 2 percent went for services for beneficiaries, and about 90 percent went for food that beneficiaries purchased.
    - wefarrell 5y ago
      And social security, a universal program, has administrative costs of 0.6%: https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/admin.html https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/admin.html
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Look up and demonstrate this "ton of bureaucratic overhead". All US programs have efficiency ratings you can find. There is not the overhead you (and UBI people in general) claim. Pick the system you think is most inefficient, then look up to find admin budget versus money paid out. I've done all this, under the same initial belief you have, and it's simply not true. And UBI will also require the same overhead to collect and dole out - it is simply a different tax redistribution method than current ones, and will not be zero overhad.

hooande 5y ago
You've made claims up and down this thread that amount to "trust me" or "look it up". None of these are simple factual matters like "What is the capital of Egypt?". There are numerous studies about basic income, all driven by different assumptions and biases. No one knows exactly which one you're referring to when you say "look it up". It's impossible to have a detailed discussion when everyone isn't evaluating the same information. If you can tell us the % of bureaucratic overhead that's consumed by the US welfare system, then please do so. Otherwise you can simply say nothing.
- ChrisLomont 5y ago
  There's others that have posted the % overhead for various programs in this thread. There is so much nonsense repeated here that for me to look up everything, which I have done in the past, would not be worth the time. Take a moment to pick one thing I claimed, check it carefully. > None of these are simple factual matters How much is spent by any welfare program is a simple fact. The budget spent to administer that is a simple fact. Thus the overhead is a simple fact. And I have never looked into one and found this massive overhead UBI people claim. Edit: from the first term I searched for https://www.cbpp.org/research/romneys-charge-that-most-federal-low-income-spending-goes-for-overhead-and-bureaucrats-is https://www.cbpp.org/research/romneys-charge-that-most-feder... And even with throwing all that small overhead into UBI for free, and assuming UBI has zero overhead.... The number are still not going to work, or, as I started with, will screw those already needing assistance.
wefarrell 5y ago
You're confusing federal programs (like Medicare and Social Security) which tend to be transparent, efficient, and universal with state run programs (like Medicaid, SNAP) that make up the bulk of welfare spending. You're not going to find a straightforward answer about to the administrative budgets of SNAP or Medicaid.
- criddell 5y ago
  The person you replied to posted a link in a sibling comment that shows 90% of combined Federal and State SNAP money is spend on food. From that link: > Eight percent of total federal- and state-funded costs went for administration, less than 2 percent went for services for beneficiaries, and about 90 percent went for food that beneficiaries purchased.
  - wefarrell 5y ago
    And social security, a universal program, has administrative costs of 0.6%: https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/admin.html https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/admin.html

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