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Big Question: will the Kindle version render decently? The preview, with no pictures, doesn't give me any hope.

by ezy 15y ago

kadavy 15y ago
I personally haven't seen it on the Kindle, and consuming it that way sounds painful (there are so many illustrations). But, some seem to think it looks good on Kindle Cloudreader http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2997007 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2997007 (I am the author)
- danmaz74 15y ago
  As you are the author, may I ask you how is it possible that the kindle edition costs MORE than the paperback one, without any printing, storage and distribution costs? That's something that has always baffled (and sometimes angered) me.
  - davidw 15y ago
    Because that's what people are willing to pay for it. In this case though, the Kindle version is fairly expensive compared to most other Kindle books. Between the high cost and the fact that on the Kindle itself, you won't get it in color, and would have a small screen size, I think I'll pass, or get the paper edition. Sure, there's Kindle for PC or the web thing, but... the paper edition is likely going to be laid out in a 'beautiful' way.
  - acangiano 15y ago
    I'm not the author, but I'll give you an answer that may justify this crazy pricing scheme. Amazon takes a 70% commission on Kindle books priced above $9.99 or sold outside of selected countries (e.g., USA, UK, etc). They "only" take 35% for books sold in such countries AND priced below $9.99. You may think that $22.79 is a magical number they pulled out of their asses. But multiply $22.79 * 30% and you get $6.84. If they priced it $9.99, they'd get $9.99 * 65% which is $6.49. So less royalties for the publisher. Now... at $9.99 the book would certainly sell more copies. However, if you consider all the copies sold outside of the selected territories will have 35% royalty regardless of how low the price is, and the fact that a $9.99 ebook cannibalize your $25-35 physical book sales, the option of pricing your Kindle $20+ no longer sounds crazy. Some publishers outright opt out of this race (e.g., Pragmatic Programmers). I love Amazon, but they are literally gouging authors and publishers. They should have a flat 30% rate, Apple-style, and let the market decide at what price they'll buy books. Alternatively, keep the flat rate and place a cap on the price of the e-books sold through the Kindle platform (e.g., $10 for fiction, $30 for non-fiction).
    - danmaz74 15y ago
      Thanks, I had no idea about this crazy scheme. Now at least I know that it is Amazon to blame, not the authors and not even their publishers (which were my first suspects).
    - kadavy 15y ago
      Thanks for that explanation! Now I understand better why I don't get a larger cut for ebooks. I guess since Amazon commands the distribution, they can command a larger portion of the sale price. (I am the author of Design for Hackers)
    - davidw 15y ago
      You think foreign sales are that strong that they'd jack the price up that much and be profitable at it? Also, I thought that Amazon actually lost some battles with the publishers, in terms of being able to set the prices they wanted, rather than what the publishers wanted. Your 35% and 70% rates are certainly those that apply to the KDP - but do they apply to publishers like Wiley as well? They presumably have more bargaining power than someone self-publishing.
    - kalid 15y ago
      Great explanation. The pricing for an upcoming Kindle version of a PDF ebook is something I'm struggling with. My current thinking: Kindle version: ~$10 PDF ebook + Kindle version + supplements (sold from my site): ~$24 The Kindle version is great for portability, but doesn't have the clean formatting, etc. you get from the PDF. I'm considering offering a coupon to Kindle users to get a discount for the "deluxe" version (essentially, less the cost of the Kindle version). All this because Amazon has forementioned crazy royalty scheme.
      - misterbwong 15y ago
        You were probably rounding up in your post but if not, shouldn't you price the kindle version at $9.99? It seems if you add the extra $0.01, you'd make $3 vs. charging $9.99 and making $6.99. Wouldn't want you getting screwed by Amazon's strange publishing terms.
  - ig1 15y ago
    Amazon have no control over ebook pricing, it's set purely by the publisher. For physical books Amazon buys them from the publisher and resells them at whatever price they want (including at a loss), hence they often discount physical books from the cover price. With ebooks Amazon uses the agency model where they just get a fixed percentage and can't change the book price. The Economist did a series of articles about ebooks last week where it discussed how publishers took this approach to stop what happened in the music industry where Apple essentially changed everyones expectation of how much they should expect to pay for music. Here's Amazon's article about it: http://www.amazon.co.uk/forum/kindle/TxDO7PSRZ3YTZD http://www.amazon.co.uk/forum/kindle/TxDO7PSRZ3YTZD
ca98am79 15y ago
Looks like it's not available for kindle delivery until Oct 6
- jeffmcneill 15y ago
  The fact that the Kindle version is embargoed for a month is one of the most retarded publisher moves I've seen. That and the ridiculous pricing. There are no excuses for this, and illustrates yet again why these dinosaur publishers are going to be extinct in a few decades.
- bergie 15y ago
  I've been reading Design for Hackers today, so doesn't look like that. Though sometimes Amazon (or publishers) seem to delay kindle book availability in some regions. Really annoying when Amazon first recommends a book to you, and then tells you that it isn't available when you try to buy.
misterbwong 15y ago
+1 to this. I've been doing all of my reading on the IPad so an electronic version with the book formatting intact would be awesome. The version shown in the kindle preview just doesn't seem as "nice"

Big Question: will the Kindle version render decently? The preview, with no pictures, doesn't give me any hope.

by ezy 15y ago

Big Question: will the Kindle version render decently? The preview, with no pictures, doesn't give me any hope.

I personally haven't seen it on the Kindle, and consuming it that way sounds painful (there are so many illustrations). But, some seem to think it looks good on Kindle Cloudreader http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2997007 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2997007 (I am the author)

danmaz74 15y ago
As you are the author, may I ask you how is it possible that the kindle edition costs MORE than the paperback one, without any printing, storage and distribution costs? That's something that has always baffled (and sometimes angered) me.
- davidw 15y ago
  Because that's what people are willing to pay for it. In this case though, the Kindle version is fairly expensive compared to most other Kindle books. Between the high cost and the fact that on the Kindle itself, you won't get it in color, and would have a small screen size, I think I'll pass, or get the paper edition. Sure, there's Kindle for PC or the web thing, but... the paper edition is likely going to be laid out in a 'beautiful' way.
- acangiano 15y ago
  I'm not the author, but I'll give you an answer that may justify this crazy pricing scheme. Amazon takes a 70% commission on Kindle books priced above $9.99 or sold outside of selected countries (e.g., USA, UK, etc). They "only" take 35% for books sold in such countries AND priced below $9.99. You may think that $22.79 is a magical number they pulled out of their asses. But multiply $22.79 * 30% and you get $6.84. If they priced it $9.99, they'd get $9.99 * 65% which is $6.49. So less royalties for the publisher. Now... at $9.99 the book would certainly sell more copies. However, if you consider all the copies sold outside of the selected territories will have 35% royalty regardless of how low the price is, and the fact that a $9.99 ebook cannibalize your $25-35 physical book sales, the option of pricing your Kindle $20+ no longer sounds crazy. Some publishers outright opt out of this race (e.g., Pragmatic Programmers). I love Amazon, but they are literally gouging authors and publishers. They should have a flat 30% rate, Apple-style, and let the market decide at what price they'll buy books. Alternatively, keep the flat rate and place a cap on the price of the e-books sold through the Kindle platform (e.g., $10 for fiction, $30 for non-fiction).
  - danmaz74 15y ago
    Thanks, I had no idea about this crazy scheme. Now at least I know that it is Amazon to blame, not the authors and not even their publishers (which were my first suspects).
  - kadavy 15y ago
    Thanks for that explanation! Now I understand better why I don't get a larger cut for ebooks. I guess since Amazon commands the distribution, they can command a larger portion of the sale price. (I am the author of Design for Hackers)
  - davidw 15y ago
    You think foreign sales are that strong that they'd jack the price up that much and be profitable at it? Also, I thought that Amazon actually lost some battles with the publishers, in terms of being able to set the prices they wanted, rather than what the publishers wanted. Your 35% and 70% rates are certainly those that apply to the KDP - but do they apply to publishers like Wiley as well? They presumably have more bargaining power than someone self-publishing.
  - kalid 15y ago
    Great explanation. The pricing for an upcoming Kindle version of a PDF ebook is something I'm struggling with. My current thinking: Kindle version: ~$10 PDF ebook + Kindle version + supplements (sold from my site): ~$24 The Kindle version is great for portability, but doesn't have the clean formatting, etc. you get from the PDF. I'm considering offering a coupon to Kindle users to get a discount for the "deluxe" version (essentially, less the cost of the Kindle version). All this because Amazon has forementioned crazy royalty scheme.
    - misterbwong 15y ago
      You were probably rounding up in your post but if not, shouldn't you price the kindle version at $9.99? It seems if you add the extra $0.01, you'd make $3 vs. charging $9.99 and making $6.99. Wouldn't want you getting screwed by Amazon's strange publishing terms.
- ig1 15y ago
  Amazon have no control over ebook pricing, it's set purely by the publisher. For physical books Amazon buys them from the publisher and resells them at whatever price they want (including at a loss), hence they often discount physical books from the cover price. With ebooks Amazon uses the agency model where they just get a fixed percentage and can't change the book price. The Economist did a series of articles about ebooks last week where it discussed how publishers took this approach to stop what happened in the music industry where Apple essentially changed everyones expectation of how much they should expect to pay for music. Here's Amazon's article about it: http://www.amazon.co.uk/forum/kindle/TxDO7PSRZ3YTZD http://www.amazon.co.uk/forum/kindle/TxDO7PSRZ3YTZD

ca98am79 15y ago

Looks like it's not available for kindle delivery until Oct 6

jeffmcneill 15y ago
The fact that the Kindle version is embargoed for a month is one of the most retarded publisher moves I've seen. That and the ridiculous pricing. There are no excuses for this, and illustrates yet again why these dinosaur publishers are going to be extinct in a few decades.
bergie 15y ago
I've been reading Design for Hackers today, so doesn't look like that. Though sometimes Amazon (or publishers) seem to delay kindle book availability in some regions. Really annoying when Amazon first recommends a book to you, and then tells you that it isn't available when you try to buy.

misterbwong 15y ago

+1 to this. I've been doing all of my reading on the IPad so an electronic version with the book formatting intact would be awesome. The version shown in the kindle preview just doesn't seem as "nice"