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It's their choice to work. Might take a generation or two to not be outraged based on how we were raised, but that would seem to make it not unjust.
by sidibe 5y ago
It's their choice to work. Might take a generation or two to not be outraged based on how we were raised, but that would seem to make it not unjust.
- inglor_cz 5y agoDepends. If a minority of voters are dependent on the UBI and a majority decides that they do not like the system, or a politician persuades them so, they will vote against it. ("Working your ass off on lazy strangers" is a huge boon for populist politicians.) If a majority of voters depends on the UBI and a minority is compelled to provide it to them, they basically have no recourse but to emigrate. At which point you lose their tax money, unless you impose draconic measures on emigration.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y agoI don't see why they shouldn't be free to. Yet, weirdly, we don't see a lot of people renouncing their rich-socialist-nation citizenship to run off to some other libertarian paradise.
- nec4b 5y ago>> rich-socialist-nation Which nation is that?
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y agoAll of the ones providing single payer healthcare, if you need a more precise target.
- nec4b 5y agoCould you be more specific? Single payer healthcare does not make a country socialistic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y agoYou can get as pedantic as you want about the definition of socialism, but the point is, there's no evidence that a program like single-payer healthcare or UBI will drive off everyone who pays into the system.
- nec4b 5y agoThere is also no evidence of pink unicorns not existing.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y agoWhat evidence we do have says that people are not going to mass-flee a country just because taxes go up to benefit the lower classes at the expense of the higher earning ones. I therefore assert that inglor_cz's assertion is baseless. Feel free to provide a counter-example.
- nec4b 5y agoActually that happened in every socialist country before they prevented their citizens from emigrating.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y agoI have a feeling you're pedantically latching on to the word 'socialist' as a, frankly quite silly, effort to try and link the concept of higher taxes with authoritarian-communist countries. I believe you to be arguing in bad faith. Otherwise, I can simply point out that many almost all the countries with single-payer health care are still plenty enough peopled to be able to pay for it and don't have to have any draconian policies against leaving. As I understand it, even residing outside of them often exempts you completely from taxation, which even the 'can't afford single-payer!' US doesn't do.
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