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The US state of Hawai’i sold an island to Larry Ellison 10 years ago I really have doubts that the independent sovereign kingdom would have done it any differe

The US state of Hawai’i sold an island to Larry Ellison 10 years ago I really have doubts that the independent sovereign kingdom would have done it any differently I think it dilutes the independence message as its the worst example of colonization

AniseAbyss 5y ago
Hawaii elite were clever enough to realize America was going to take Hawaii no matter what. Independence was never an option. It could have gone the way of Puerto Rico- at least Hawaii is a State which makes them technically equal to the mainland.
- mistrial9 5y ago
  please note that giant, muscular and fat, does not include "stupid" .. many Pacific Islanders are notably accomplished in the modern times. btw- thought and prayer for the Tongan people right now
- vmception 5y ago
  Not quite, the only thing I agree with you on is that there were externalities outside of Hawaii that became a catalyst for the coup, which is rarely mentioned US and China were in a trade war in the 1890s, same story different century, this placed tariffs on agriculture imported to both unions, the only clever part is that the elite in Hawai’i realized that the tariffs magically disappear if a part of one of those unions. This was accurate. But it was such a clusterf*ck that it is indefensible. The US president had no idea it happened and was against it but ran out of time to do anything before his term was up, the next guy was like “lol awesome” and the rest is mostly history (aside from the part that Congress didn't want it because it meant Asian political representation in a US state, purely race based discrimination)
anthomtb 5y ago
While I agree with the gist of your message, it must be noted that the State of Hawaii did not sell an island to Larry Ellison. Rather, most of Lanai, the island you are mentioning, was previously owned by a pineapple company. And Larry Ellison bought that land. I highly recommend spending some time in Lanai if you find yourself on Maui. It’s a short boat ride, there’s a couple good beaches, some interesting geography, and about 1/1000 the volume of tourists you run into on Maui.
- vmception 5y ago
  > it must be noted that the State of Hawaii did not sell an island to Larry Ellison. Thanks, okay, you are correct. There was state approval involved. I'm not sure what regulation that entails, compared to simply providing notice.

AniseAbyss 5y ago

Hawaii elite were clever enough to realize America was going to take Hawaii no matter what. Independence was never an option. It could have gone the way of Puerto Rico- at least Hawaii is a State which makes them technically equal to the mainland.

mistrial9 5y ago
please note that giant, muscular and fat, does not include "stupid" .. many Pacific Islanders are notably accomplished in the modern times. btw- thought and prayer for the Tongan people right now
vmception 5y ago
Not quite, the only thing I agree with you on is that there were externalities outside of Hawaii that became a catalyst for the coup, which is rarely mentioned US and China were in a trade war in the 1890s, same story different century, this placed tariffs on agriculture imported to both unions, the only clever part is that the elite in Hawai’i realized that the tariffs magically disappear if a part of one of those unions. This was accurate. But it was such a clusterf*ck that it is indefensible. The US president had no idea it happened and was against it but ran out of time to do anything before his term was up, the next guy was like “lol awesome” and the rest is mostly history (aside from the part that Congress didn't want it because it meant Asian political representation in a US state, purely race based discrimination)

anthomtb 5y ago

While I agree with the gist of your message, it must be noted that the State of Hawaii did not sell an island to Larry Ellison. Rather, most of Lanai, the island you are mentioning, was previously owned by a pineapple company. And Larry Ellison bought that land. I highly recommend spending some time in Lanai if you find yourself on Maui. It’s a short boat ride, there’s a couple good beaches, some interesting geography, and about 1/1000 the volume of tourists you run into on Maui.

vmception 5y ago
> it must be noted that the State of Hawaii did not sell an island to Larry Ellison. Thanks, okay, you are correct. There was state approval involved. I'm not sure what regulation that entails, compared to simply providing notice.