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I see this and think of all the millions of apps that the code controls. I don't know how many do fail validation, but it's clearly not a vast number, definitel
by marcus_holmes 5y ago
I see this and think of all the millions of apps that the code controls. I don't know how many do fail validation, but it's clearly not a vast number, definitely under 1%.
Given that they're also clearly training a model for this, based on a large number of inputs and rules, then this is pretty good.
Their end goal is clearly to be able to remove humans from this process completely. Which is good - it's shitty work.
From my point of view as an app customer, this is fine. I don't see apps that fail validation, and there are too many (shitty) apps anyway - more validation is good.
From my point of view as an entrepreneur, I approve. Clearly they can live with a certain level of false negatives, and that makes sense from a business point of view as they save so much in the validation process.
From my point of view as a developer, however, it's a dumpster fire and I'm not going anywhere near it.
- onion2k 5y agoI don't see apps that fail validation, and there are too many (shitty) apps anyway - more validation is good. You've failed to understand your own problem. You're seeing lots of shitty apps. That means the validation isn't working because part of the validation process is supposed to make sure apps are of sufficient quality. So no, you don't see apps that fail validation, you see apps that should have failed validation. That's worse, especially when the same validation is apparently rejecting good apps.
- marcus_holmes 5y agoI don't see all the apps that applied. I just see the apps that passed validation. It's totally reasonable to assume that the apps that were rejected by the validation process are worse than the apps that were accepted.
- notreallyserio 5y ago> From my point of view as an entrepreneur, I approve. Sorry, I don't believe you here. If you were trying to get, say, a loan from the bank you've done business with for years but would only ever get vague replies and could never speak with a human, you'd be rightfully angry. There's nothing special about being an "entrepreneur" that makes this less problematic.
- marcus_holmes 5y agoDevs aren't the customer here. I work in a fintech and deal with banks all the time. We only ever get vague replies, and while we do speak to humans, they're not as helpful as you'd think. I'm rightfully angry. But there's nothing we can do because we're not the customer - we need to do business with them, we can't walk away, so we've got very little leverage.