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IMO the last few versions of the Classic MacOS were the peak. There was a lot of hate for Aqua and the fisher-price look. Remember the pinstripes? Tiger was a

IMO the last few versions of the Classic MacOS were the peak. There was a lot of hate for Aqua and the fisher-price look. Remember the pinstripes? Tiger was a big improvement. And, the earlier versions of OS X still look way better than what we have now.

BoxOfRain 5y ago
Tiger remains to this day my favourite look for macOS. It's not that I don't like the modern look, but there's something incredibly friendly and inviting about the 10.4 era Aqua interface. I wish you could still skin macOS because I'd totally run a Tiger desktop on modern macOS if I could. Best I can get is a brushed metal theme for Firefox to mimic old-school Safari!
- BeFlatXIII 5y ago
  Tiger looks over a Snow Leopard core. What more could anyone possibly want?
- hyperbovine 5y ago
  Do not fear--it's only a matter of time before the "design conscious" crowd, which includes a large contingent of Apple employees, alights on the year 2005 as the pinnacle of "retro" and starts creating throwback versions of everything. By my estimation we're at about 1994 right now so ...
  - csdvrx 5y ago
    ... in 10 years, as the cycle of nostalgia takes about 30 years.
    - BoxOfRain 5y ago
      I literally have a playlist called 'modern 80s' which is 2020s music releases that kind of sound like they're from the '80s. I definitely subscribe to the 30 year nostalgia theory!
      - Uehreka 5y ago
        There were a lot of bands harkening back to an 80’s sound in the 2000’s, and people were saying that the “retro cycle” was therefore 20 years (if it was recurring in the 2020’s that’d be 40 years). But I think someone could make the case that the 80’s have just become the permanent retro decade, and that everything since 2000 has been subsumed into a sort of “infinite present”.
        contidrift 5y ago
        >But I think someone could make the case that the 80’s have just become the permanent retro decade, and that everything since 2000 has been subsumed into a sort of “infinite present”. As if we lived in the Matrix.
        Brian_K_White 5y ago
        I think the internet and free universal frictionless undifferentiated unbiased access to recordings has made all sounds equally available at all times, starting somewhere in the 90's, and that has made anyone who was born after that point perceive them a bit differently than before. I have a neice who was born in 96. When she was 10 or so I found out she was listening to both Green Day and Patsy Kline with essentially equal interest. That's when I got this idea. She was born entirely after not only the existense of recordings that go back at least a few generations, not only after the existense of the internet, but after the mass adoption of the internet, digital copies of recordings, and countless distribution means, both centralized and peer to peer. The essential nature was not that different from today, the day she was born, let alone 10 years later. For me, Patsy Kline was only on the oldies station at my grandmas house and the barber shop and which actually called itself the oldies station, and my parents wouldn't be caught dead listening to Green Day. For my neice they are both just content.
        Shared404 5y ago
        Born in 2001 here, and can confirm. I can go from Yes, to Twenty One Pilots, to Kansas, to TheFatRat, to Johnny Cash, to random youtuber, to Linkin Park, to Guns 'n Roses, to Elvis, and so on. They're all just there, there's good stuff from every time period - why would you limit yourself?
- angio 5y ago
  My favorite thing about Tiger was that at the end of its life cycle it was incredibly stable.
  - lostgame 5y ago
    Which is pretty incredible, since Tiger was the first public version of OSX to have distros for both PPC and Intel! Tiger was solid - Leopard was where it was at. Snow Leopard may be my favourite, but as I can’t run it on any of my PPC systems I have no excuse to run it anymore.
    - kergonath 5y ago
      It was in the middle of the 64bit transition, as well.
      - lostgame 5y ago
        I actually still use a quad core G5 with 16GB(!) of RAM, and 2x1TB SSDs for some audio production work in Logic 9. 64-bit started for me back when the G5 came out, and today that G5 screams, easily feeling as responsive as my girlfriend’s M1 MacBook Air most of the time. It’s almost unbelievable how the G5 performs like it’s got bloody Sonic the Hedgehog trapped in there on a hamster wheel generator. My Intel machines never came close, and a lot of it seemed to have to do with major bloat as the OS moved along. Probably also bloat in Logic. My G5 can handle the hell of a lot more effects and VSTs with about 50% the impact they have on my Intel machines. It’s surreal. I also find it absolutely pathetic and astounding that up until this year (16 inch MBP excluded) the maximum RAM a MacBook could have was the equivalent of a computer I got in 2005. 15 years later I still couldn’t get even 32GB RAM in a MacBook. And it was soldered so it couldn’t be upgraded. Shameful.
        kergonath 5y ago
        The 8 DIMM slots don’t fit in a laptop anyway ;) Seriously though, the 16GB limit was mostly due to the Intel parts not supporting more LP-DDR. But yeah these things were beasts. The dual-CPU and then the dual dual-core were seriously impressive. I really wanted one at the time but could not justify it. I finally got one for €100 2 years ago, now it sits next to a G4 Cube. Both are some exceptional pieces of engineering.
- varunprasad 5y ago
  The Tiger -> Snow Leopard period was amazing. Tiger: Great new UI. Spotlight. Dashboard. Leopard: Quick Look. Time Machine. I hated it from a functional perspective, but wow it looked amazing. Snow Leopard: They just cleaned up everything.
  - wyclif 5y ago
    Snow Leopard was also probably the most stable Mac OS X ever. I had it for years and I don't ever remember it crashing under duress.
    - Wowfunhappy 5y ago
      Early versions of Snow Leopard did have a bug that could delete all the data on your hard drive. :) 10.6.8 was pretty good, but I've had similar stability on Mountain Lion (10.8) and Mavericks (10.9). I think Snow Leopard has developed a legacy partly because Lion (10.7) was pretty bad, and partly because Snow Leopard was the last release to support Rosetta. Then again, Yosemite (10.10) was also really bad, and I seem to be the only one who thinks Mavericks was the actual pinnacle. *Shrug*
  - diskzero 5y ago
    Snow Leopard was great to work on. When we were told the next release of OSX would focus on stability and performance, morale went way up. Having a massive backlog of bugs felt like an unseen energy vampire, sucking away the will to live. You just knew some user out there is hating life because you don't have time to address their issue. The Radar issue count for Finder was in the tens of thousands alone and it could be argued each bug was worthy of being fixed.
- SllX 5y ago
  I miss a lot of things about the 10.4-10.6 era. Brushed metal Safari is not one of those things. As I recall, per the HIG, the official line on brushed metal was that it was for apps that interacted with physical hardware in some direct way: portable music players, synch. managers, optical drives, disks, something. Now if you think that’s vague, you’re not wrong; most apps could at least print something, and it wasn’t applied consistently even within the iLife suite which up until the inclusion of iWeb consisted entirely of apps that were intended to bring the Mac and peripheral devices together (CDs, digital cameras, MP3 Players/iPods, DV cameras, SuperDrives, MIDI). This vagueness and the low popularity of brushed metal Safari in particular was one of the reasons the brushed metal theming was retired after Tiger.
  - BoxOfRain 5y ago
    I know I'm in a minority with brushed metal but I really liked it, yes its official usage guide was vague and it probably was abused a bit but from a purely aesthetic point of view I liked it, like a lot of things in Aqua of that era it made things feel very tangible. I'm one of the apparently few people on HN who actually liked the touch bar (but not the lack of a physical escape key) on the MacBook Pro as well so take my opinion with a pinch of salt!
    - xattt 5y ago
      Brushed metal worked because you were already touching a surface that was a similar texture as the UI.
      - SllX 5y ago
        Only on a MacBook Pro or PowerBook. Not accounting for 3rd party accessories: iBooks, MacBooks, Apple’s Mice & Pro Mice, Mighty Mice, Apple’s Pro Keyboards, Apple Keyboards and Apple Remotes were all plastic at the time, and mostly white or translucent plastic with a couple of exceptions. The aluminum stuff all came about just immediately prior to (about one or two month’s prior) or after Leopard’s release, but Tiger’s era (and Brushed Metal didn’t start on Tiger) was dominated by plastic input devices.
kergonath 5y ago
I loved Aqua, particularly after they toned down the pin stripes and transparency, so, yes, around Tiger (and up until around Snow Leopard). It was indeed a great step forward in terms of UI, which cannot be said of many more recent releases.
- philistine 5y ago
  Everybody is very positive about Tiger’s UI, but what I remember were the disjointed elements. Brushed metal was prevalent in many apps, and completely broke the UI’s look. Even though we have many gaping holes in the details of the current UI due to the many paradigms (SwiftUI, AppKit, Catalyst), skin-deep macOS is much more agreeable.
  - kergonath 5y ago
    Yeah brushed metal from the experiments in Panther was still too present. It got better with Leopard. Cocoa apps are mostly fine in modern macOS. Their main issues are the lack of contrast*, but things like the dark theme are great. From what I have seen SwiftUI is fine too, although it still has some way to go to catch up with AppKit, and has some rough edges. Catalyst is plain garbage, though. * a pet peeve: I have to click 3 times when I want to make sure that the shuffle mode is either on or off in Music. Another one: document proxy icons are getting hidden and harder to use, even though they are a fantastic feature of the OS. There's a bunch of others features that are becoming more and more obscure, which is a damn shame.
queuebert 5y ago
Since this opinion seems near universal, is there any explanation for what the heck Apple is doing?
- champagnois 5y ago
  They are in the Windows 8 phase of design. They want to merge mouse and keyboard systems with touch systems, and are thusly forcing mouse and keyboard users to use interface conventions that are derived from touch platforms. Mobile platforms benefit more from high contrast, very simple and flat designs. Beyond just the touch screen convenience features -- A significant portion of users is seeig their UI under conditions of extreme sunlight, water droplets, or cracked screen at any given time. These things all inform design choices for mobile. Now then, why is Apple making the same mistake as Microsoft Windows 8 by forcing these design elements onto Desktop and Laptop market segments? Apple doesn't really think of the PC market much. According to their financial reports, they make more money selling chargers for their mobile devices than they do on the entire PC market. The answer, I assume, is apathy.
  - arrrg 5y ago
    Apple isn’t merging mouse and keyboard systems, though. Not in macOS. So that hypothesis is complete bunk. This design move is at this point getting to be a decade old. So this explanation from you makes zero sense.
    - slategruen 5y ago
      This. macOS has been in an incremental phase for several years now. Windows 8 was a major overhaul from Microsoft which ended up as a big mistake since they didn't consider the impact of such an overhaul in terms of user experience. macOS on the other hand is quite mature and Apple knows that any major change would hurt users in the end.
      - smoldesu 5y ago
        Was Big Sur one of those "incremental" updates?
batman-farts 5y ago
I was one of the Aqua haters, but I got used to it quick after installing OS X Public Beta and switching it to the graphite color scheme. Doesn’t mean I don’t miss OS 9 Platinum, though. I’d be interested to hear from anybody who spent time using the Dark Platinum/NeXT hybrid desktop of Rhapsody and OS X Server 1.0/1.2, although I have to wonder if there was ever anyone who used the server OS as a daily driver. Fun fact: OS X Public Beta had an Easter egg setting that I can’t quite remember, defaults write com.Apple.something or other, that would set all Cocoa apps to a straight-up NeXTSTEP appearance. It completely broke usability, though, as windows would minimize into little squares in the corner of the screen a la NS rather than into the dock.
- warning26 5y ago
  > Fun fact: OS X Public Beta had an Easter egg setting that I can’t quite remember, defaults write com.Apple.something or other, that would set all Cocoa apps to a straight-up NeXTSTEP appearance. It completely broke usability, though, as windows would minimize into little squares in the corner of the screen a la NS rather than into the dock. Wow I've never read about this -- know of any screenshots? Would be really interesting to see what some of the default OS X apps looked with the NeXTSTEP appearance.
  - kitsunesoba 5y ago
    It’s not exactly what you’re asking for, but this Twitter thread from Stephen Troughton-Smith has screenshots of several stock OS X apps as they changed from NeXT/OpenSTEP → Rhapsody/OS X Server → Developer Previews → Public Beta → final release. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1125050952506052609.html https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1125050952506052609.html
  - Lammy 5y ago
    You could move/rename the `Extras.rsrc` file in `/System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/HIToolbox.framework/Versions/A/Resources/` and disable Aqua in the very early versions, returning lots of things to a Mac OS X DP2-style Platinum appearance: https://macosx-dev.omnigroup.narkive.com/WZX5AkMk/extras-rsrc https://macosx-dev.omnigroup.narkive.com/WZX5AkMk/extras-rsr... https://guidebookgallery.org/screenshots/macosxdp2 https://guidebookgallery.org/screenshots/macosxdp2 I also like to use Jagwire's Extras.rsrc on Tiger to get my sweet sweet pinstripes back: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/jaguar-ui-on-tiger-project-extras-rsrc-download-inside.2249691/ https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/jaguar-ui-on-tiger-proj...

BoxOfRain 5y ago

Tiger remains to this day my favourite look for macOS. It's not that I don't like the modern look, but there's something incredibly friendly and inviting about the 10.4 era Aqua interface. I wish you could still skin macOS because I'd totally run a Tiger desktop on modern macOS if I could. Best I can get is a brushed metal theme for Firefox to mimic old-school Safari!

BeFlatXIII 5y ago
Tiger looks over a Snow Leopard core. What more could anyone possibly want?
hyperbovine 5y ago
Do not fear--it's only a matter of time before the "design conscious" crowd, which includes a large contingent of Apple employees, alights on the year 2005 as the pinnacle of "retro" and starts creating throwback versions of everything. By my estimation we're at about 1994 right now so ...
- csdvrx 5y ago
  ... in 10 years, as the cycle of nostalgia takes about 30 years.
  - BoxOfRain 5y ago
    I literally have a playlist called 'modern 80s' which is 2020s music releases that kind of sound like they're from the '80s. I definitely subscribe to the 30 year nostalgia theory!
    - Uehreka 5y ago
      There were a lot of bands harkening back to an 80’s sound in the 2000’s, and people were saying that the “retro cycle” was therefore 20 years (if it was recurring in the 2020’s that’d be 40 years). But I think someone could make the case that the 80’s have just become the permanent retro decade, and that everything since 2000 has been subsumed into a sort of “infinite present”.
      - contidrift 5y ago
        >But I think someone could make the case that the 80’s have just become the permanent retro decade, and that everything since 2000 has been subsumed into a sort of “infinite present”. As if we lived in the Matrix.
      - Brian_K_White 5y ago
        I think the internet and free universal frictionless undifferentiated unbiased access to recordings has made all sounds equally available at all times, starting somewhere in the 90's, and that has made anyone who was born after that point perceive them a bit differently than before. I have a neice who was born in 96. When she was 10 or so I found out she was listening to both Green Day and Patsy Kline with essentially equal interest. That's when I got this idea. She was born entirely after not only the existense of recordings that go back at least a few generations, not only after the existense of the internet, but after the mass adoption of the internet, digital copies of recordings, and countless distribution means, both centralized and peer to peer. The essential nature was not that different from today, the day she was born, let alone 10 years later. For me, Patsy Kline was only on the oldies station at my grandmas house and the barber shop and which actually called itself the oldies station, and my parents wouldn't be caught dead listening to Green Day. For my neice they are both just content.
        Shared404 5y ago
        Born in 2001 here, and can confirm. I can go from Yes, to Twenty One Pilots, to Kansas, to TheFatRat, to Johnny Cash, to random youtuber, to Linkin Park, to Guns 'n Roses, to Elvis, and so on. They're all just there, there's good stuff from every time period - why would you limit yourself?
angio 5y ago
My favorite thing about Tiger was that at the end of its life cycle it was incredibly stable.
- lostgame 5y ago
  Which is pretty incredible, since Tiger was the first public version of OSX to have distros for both PPC and Intel! Tiger was solid - Leopard was where it was at. Snow Leopard may be my favourite, but as I can’t run it on any of my PPC systems I have no excuse to run it anymore.
  - kergonath 5y ago
    It was in the middle of the 64bit transition, as well.
    - lostgame 5y ago
      I actually still use a quad core G5 with 16GB(!) of RAM, and 2x1TB SSDs for some audio production work in Logic 9. 64-bit started for me back when the G5 came out, and today that G5 screams, easily feeling as responsive as my girlfriend’s M1 MacBook Air most of the time. It’s almost unbelievable how the G5 performs like it’s got bloody Sonic the Hedgehog trapped in there on a hamster wheel generator. My Intel machines never came close, and a lot of it seemed to have to do with major bloat as the OS moved along. Probably also bloat in Logic. My G5 can handle the hell of a lot more effects and VSTs with about 50% the impact they have on my Intel machines. It’s surreal. I also find it absolutely pathetic and astounding that up until this year (16 inch MBP excluded) the maximum RAM a MacBook could have was the equivalent of a computer I got in 2005. 15 years later I still couldn’t get even 32GB RAM in a MacBook. And it was soldered so it couldn’t be upgraded. Shameful.
      - kergonath 5y ago
        The 8 DIMM slots don’t fit in a laptop anyway ;) Seriously though, the 16GB limit was mostly due to the Intel parts not supporting more LP-DDR. But yeah these things were beasts. The dual-CPU and then the dual dual-core were seriously impressive. I really wanted one at the time but could not justify it. I finally got one for €100 2 years ago, now it sits next to a G4 Cube. Both are some exceptional pieces of engineering.
varunprasad 5y ago
The Tiger -> Snow Leopard period was amazing. Tiger: Great new UI. Spotlight. Dashboard. Leopard: Quick Look. Time Machine. I hated it from a functional perspective, but wow it looked amazing. Snow Leopard: They just cleaned up everything.
- wyclif 5y ago
  Snow Leopard was also probably the most stable Mac OS X ever. I had it for years and I don't ever remember it crashing under duress.
  - Wowfunhappy 5y ago
    Early versions of Snow Leopard did have a bug that could delete all the data on your hard drive. :) 10.6.8 was pretty good, but I've had similar stability on Mountain Lion (10.8) and Mavericks (10.9). I think Snow Leopard has developed a legacy partly because Lion (10.7) was pretty bad, and partly because Snow Leopard was the last release to support Rosetta. Then again, Yosemite (10.10) was also really bad, and I seem to be the only one who thinks Mavericks was the actual pinnacle. *Shrug*
- diskzero 5y ago
  Snow Leopard was great to work on. When we were told the next release of OSX would focus on stability and performance, morale went way up. Having a massive backlog of bugs felt like an unseen energy vampire, sucking away the will to live. You just knew some user out there is hating life because you don't have time to address their issue. The Radar issue count for Finder was in the tens of thousands alone and it could be argued each bug was worthy of being fixed.
SllX 5y ago
I miss a lot of things about the 10.4-10.6 era. Brushed metal Safari is not one of those things. As I recall, per the HIG, the official line on brushed metal was that it was for apps that interacted with physical hardware in some direct way: portable music players, synch. managers, optical drives, disks, something. Now if you think that’s vague, you’re not wrong; most apps could at least print something, and it wasn’t applied consistently even within the iLife suite which up until the inclusion of iWeb consisted entirely of apps that were intended to bring the Mac and peripheral devices together (CDs, digital cameras, MP3 Players/iPods, DV cameras, SuperDrives, MIDI). This vagueness and the low popularity of brushed metal Safari in particular was one of the reasons the brushed metal theming was retired after Tiger.
- BoxOfRain 5y ago
  I know I'm in a minority with brushed metal but I really liked it, yes its official usage guide was vague and it probably was abused a bit but from a purely aesthetic point of view I liked it, like a lot of things in Aqua of that era it made things feel very tangible. I'm one of the apparently few people on HN who actually liked the touch bar (but not the lack of a physical escape key) on the MacBook Pro as well so take my opinion with a pinch of salt!
  - xattt 5y ago
    Brushed metal worked because you were already touching a surface that was a similar texture as the UI.
    - SllX 5y ago
      Only on a MacBook Pro or PowerBook. Not accounting for 3rd party accessories: iBooks, MacBooks, Apple’s Mice & Pro Mice, Mighty Mice, Apple’s Pro Keyboards, Apple Keyboards and Apple Remotes were all plastic at the time, and mostly white or translucent plastic with a couple of exceptions. The aluminum stuff all came about just immediately prior to (about one or two month’s prior) or after Leopard’s release, but Tiger’s era (and Brushed Metal didn’t start on Tiger) was dominated by plastic input devices.

kergonath 5y ago

I loved Aqua, particularly after they toned down the pin stripes and transparency, so, yes, around Tiger (and up until around Snow Leopard). It was indeed a great step forward in terms of UI, which cannot be said of many more recent releases.

philistine 5y ago
Everybody is very positive about Tiger’s UI, but what I remember were the disjointed elements. Brushed metal was prevalent in many apps, and completely broke the UI’s look. Even though we have many gaping holes in the details of the current UI due to the many paradigms (SwiftUI, AppKit, Catalyst), skin-deep macOS is much more agreeable.
- kergonath 5y ago
  Yeah brushed metal from the experiments in Panther was still too present. It got better with Leopard. Cocoa apps are mostly fine in modern macOS. Their main issues are the lack of contrast*, but things like the dark theme are great. From what I have seen SwiftUI is fine too, although it still has some way to go to catch up with AppKit, and has some rough edges. Catalyst is plain garbage, though. * a pet peeve: I have to click 3 times when I want to make sure that the shuffle mode is either on or off in Music. Another one: document proxy icons are getting hidden and harder to use, even though they are a fantastic feature of the OS. There's a bunch of others features that are becoming more and more obscure, which is a damn shame.

queuebert 5y ago

Since this opinion seems near universal, is there any explanation for what the heck Apple is doing?

champagnois 5y ago
They are in the Windows 8 phase of design. They want to merge mouse and keyboard systems with touch systems, and are thusly forcing mouse and keyboard users to use interface conventions that are derived from touch platforms. Mobile platforms benefit more from high contrast, very simple and flat designs. Beyond just the touch screen convenience features -- A significant portion of users is seeig their UI under conditions of extreme sunlight, water droplets, or cracked screen at any given time. These things all inform design choices for mobile. Now then, why is Apple making the same mistake as Microsoft Windows 8 by forcing these design elements onto Desktop and Laptop market segments? Apple doesn't really think of the PC market much. According to their financial reports, they make more money selling chargers for their mobile devices than they do on the entire PC market. The answer, I assume, is apathy.
- arrrg 5y ago
  Apple isn’t merging mouse and keyboard systems, though. Not in macOS. So that hypothesis is complete bunk. This design move is at this point getting to be a decade old. So this explanation from you makes zero sense.
  - slategruen 5y ago
    This. macOS has been in an incremental phase for several years now. Windows 8 was a major overhaul from Microsoft which ended up as a big mistake since they didn't consider the impact of such an overhaul in terms of user experience. macOS on the other hand is quite mature and Apple knows that any major change would hurt users in the end.
    - smoldesu 5y ago
      Was Big Sur one of those "incremental" updates?

batman-farts 5y ago

I was one of the Aqua haters, but I got used to it quick after installing OS X Public Beta and switching it to the graphite color scheme. Doesn’t mean I don’t miss OS 9 Platinum, though. I’d be interested to hear from anybody who spent time using the Dark Platinum/NeXT hybrid desktop of Rhapsody and OS X Server 1.0/1.2, although I have to wonder if there was ever anyone who used the server OS as a daily driver. Fun fact: OS X Public Beta had an Easter egg setting that I can’t quite remember, defaults write com.Apple.something or other, that would set all Cocoa apps to a straight-up NeXTSTEP appearance. It completely broke usability, though, as windows would minimize into little squares in the corner of the screen a la NS rather than into the dock.

warning26 5y ago
> Fun fact: OS X Public Beta had an Easter egg setting that I can’t quite remember, defaults write com.Apple.something or other, that would set all Cocoa apps to a straight-up NeXTSTEP appearance. It completely broke usability, though, as windows would minimize into little squares in the corner of the screen a la NS rather than into the dock. Wow I've never read about this -- know of any screenshots? Would be really interesting to see what some of the default OS X apps looked with the NeXTSTEP appearance.
- kitsunesoba 5y ago
  It’s not exactly what you’re asking for, but this Twitter thread from Stephen Troughton-Smith has screenshots of several stock OS X apps as they changed from NeXT/OpenSTEP → Rhapsody/OS X Server → Developer Previews → Public Beta → final release. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1125050952506052609.html https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1125050952506052609.html
- Lammy 5y ago
  You could move/rename the `Extras.rsrc` file in `/System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/HIToolbox.framework/Versions/A/Resources/` and disable Aqua in the very early versions, returning lots of things to a Mac OS X DP2-style Platinum appearance: https://macosx-dev.omnigroup.narkive.com/WZX5AkMk/extras-rsrc https://macosx-dev.omnigroup.narkive.com/WZX5AkMk/extras-rsr... https://guidebookgallery.org/screenshots/macosxdp2 https://guidebookgallery.org/screenshots/macosxdp2 I also like to use Jagwire's Extras.rsrc on Tiger to get my sweet sweet pinstripes back: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/jaguar-ui-on-tiger-project-extras-rsrc-download-inside.2249691/ https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/jaguar-ui-on-tiger-proj...