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> don't fuss like a baby over any danger. It's just risk management dude Some things aren't worth fussing over, some are Taking steps to reduce your mortalit

> don't fuss like a baby over any danger. It's just risk management dude Some things aren't worth fussing over, some are Taking steps to reduce your mortality risk isn't being a baby, it's really dumb to die over bravado like this too

native_samples 5y ago
Omicron isn't worth fussing over though. It's equivalent to a common cold. The South Africans have been saying that from the start and can't understand why nobody listens to them.
- crispypotatoes 5y ago
  We don't live in a world where it's just an Omicron risk though, there are more deadly variants spreading right now you're forgetting about
- sAbakumoff 5y ago
  >> Omicron isn't worth fussing over though. Right..."they" must have been fabricated those record-high hospitalization numbers in the USA!! https://edition.cnn.com/2022/01/17/health/us-coronavirus-monday/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2022/01/17/health/us-coronavirus-mon...
  - native_samples 5y ago
    As I said above already, hospitalization stats for Omicron don't mean anything. In the UK more than half of all "hospitalized" Omicron cases caught it in hospital and of those, most are asymptomatic. Yes, people can catch infectious bugs like colds and flu-like illnesses in hospital. It's a building full of sick people, it happens. That doesn't mean there's a crisis in the population.
    - crispypotatoes 5y ago
      > In the UK more than half of all "hospitalized" Omicron cases caught it in hospital and of those, most are asymptomatic Absolutely not true
      - native_samples 5y ago
        https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/01/20/call-scrap-daily-covid-data-updates-amid-fears-increasingly/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/01/20/call-scrap-daily... "Call to phase out statistics comes as it emerges that up to 70pc of virus patients in hospital being primarily treated for other problems" Please do explain where you got your belief that I'm wrong, because it seems you may be a victim of misinformation. EDITED: Originally I gave this link, but it's out of date https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/01/07/incidental-covid-cases-make-half-nhs-hospital-admissions/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/01/07/incidental-covid...
- _djo_ 5y ago
  The South Africans have not been saying that at all. They have said it's somewhat milder and results in lower rates of hospitalisation, but that it's still a serious disease and that the increased infectiousness can result in the same number of people hospitalised (or more) because it cancels out. In fact, South Africa's Omicron-driven wave peaked at just under 10 000 hospitalised, comparable to around 15 000 hospitalised for the Delta-driven third wave. [0] And this was in a population with extremely high seroprevalence and a 400/100k death rate with nearly 300 000 dead. [0]https://www.nicd.ac.za/diseases-a-z-index/disease-index-covid-19/surveillance-reports/daily-hospital-surveillance-datcov-report/ https://www.nicd.ac.za/diseases-a-z-index/disease-index-covi... Why would you make things up like that?
  - native_samples 5y ago
    Yes they have. They have not been saying it's still a serious disease. Literally the very first thing they said was that it was "very mild" https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/safrican-doctor-says-patients-with-omicron-variant-have-very-mild-symptoms-2021-11-28/ https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/safrican-doctor-says-pa... A month and a half later she was still saying the same thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFXC-t6JSxw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFXC-t6JSxw "The South African doctor who first spotted the new Covid variant Omicron, Dr. Angelique Coetzee says the United Kingdom is “panicking unnecessarily”. She describes the symptoms of the highly mutated variant which has sparked global panic over fears that it is more contagious than other strains as “extremely mild”." Hospitalized with Omicron is effectively meaningless. Over half the people in the UK classed as hospitalized with Omicron definitely caught it in the hospital itself, and most were asymptomatic. The word doesn't mean what it normally means.
    - _djo_ 5y ago
      You are selectively cherry-picking data here. Dr Coetzee is one doctor with a relatively small number of patients, and she was always clear in stating that her observations were for her patients only. Nor has she or any other set of prominent South African doctors or scientists claimed that Omicron is no worse than the common cold. Dr Coetzee was also clear to state that her patient base was all relatively young in a country where many of the elderly have been vaccinated and there are high rates of seroprevalence amongst the youth. A level of seroprevalence that was bought at the cost of one of the world's highest death tolls from the virus. The broad studies that have been done suggest that Omicron may have been about 70% less likely to cause severe disease than Delta in South Africa. As for "hospitalized with Omicron is effectively meaningless", they found that the risks of death once hospitalised were the same for Omicron and Delta. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.21.21268116v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.21.21268116v... They also caution that it's preliminary research without the ability yet to rule out other contributing factors. For instance, when Omicron hit South Africa it was in between waves and at the tail end of a massive and devastating Delta-wave, which created substantial seroprevalence in urban areas. This is unlike the case in the US and Europe, where a Delta and Omicron wave have coincided. South Africa's Omicron wave also peaked and subsided extremely quickly, faster than is being seen in Europe and the US. Many of the elderly in the most affected areas had also been vaccinated, and they further caution that they can't predict Omicron's behaviour in a population with relatively low vaccination and low seroprevalence levels. Again, even if Omicron is substantially 'milder' than Delta, with the right conditions it doesn't matter because the increased infectiousness is enough to overwhelm hospitals anywhere. As we're seeing in the UK, parts of Europe, and all over the US.
coldtea 5y ago
>It's just risk management dude Risk management is about accessing risk and taking precautions. It's can very well be a private matter. Fussing, openly squirming, talking down to people out of anxiety, etc. is lacking dignity.
- crispypotatoes 5y ago
  > Fussing, openly squirming, talking down to people out of anxiety, etc. is lacking dignity. and this isn't what you're doing by calling people babies for being worried? You're anxious about taking the vaccine and talk down to people, by your logic you have no dignity

native_samples 5y ago

Omicron isn't worth fussing over though. It's equivalent to a common cold. The South Africans have been saying that from the start and can't understand why nobody listens to them.

crispypotatoes 5y ago
We don't live in a world where it's just an Omicron risk though, there are more deadly variants spreading right now you're forgetting about
sAbakumoff 5y ago
>> Omicron isn't worth fussing over though. Right..."they" must have been fabricated those record-high hospitalization numbers in the USA!! https://edition.cnn.com/2022/01/17/health/us-coronavirus-monday/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2022/01/17/health/us-coronavirus-mon...
- native_samples 5y ago
  As I said above already, hospitalization stats for Omicron don't mean anything. In the UK more than half of all "hospitalized" Omicron cases caught it in hospital and of those, most are asymptomatic. Yes, people can catch infectious bugs like colds and flu-like illnesses in hospital. It's a building full of sick people, it happens. That doesn't mean there's a crisis in the population.
  - crispypotatoes 5y ago
    > In the UK more than half of all "hospitalized" Omicron cases caught it in hospital and of those, most are asymptomatic Absolutely not true
    - native_samples 5y ago
      https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/01/20/call-scrap-daily-covid-data-updates-amid-fears-increasingly/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/01/20/call-scrap-daily... "Call to phase out statistics comes as it emerges that up to 70pc of virus patients in hospital being primarily treated for other problems" Please do explain where you got your belief that I'm wrong, because it seems you may be a victim of misinformation. EDITED: Originally I gave this link, but it's out of date https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/01/07/incidental-covid-cases-make-half-nhs-hospital-admissions/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/01/07/incidental-covid...
_djo_ 5y ago
The South Africans have not been saying that at all. They have said it's somewhat milder and results in lower rates of hospitalisation, but that it's still a serious disease and that the increased infectiousness can result in the same number of people hospitalised (or more) because it cancels out. In fact, South Africa's Omicron-driven wave peaked at just under 10 000 hospitalised, comparable to around 15 000 hospitalised for the Delta-driven third wave. [0] And this was in a population with extremely high seroprevalence and a 400/100k death rate with nearly 300 000 dead. [0]https://www.nicd.ac.za/diseases-a-z-index/disease-index-covid-19/surveillance-reports/daily-hospital-surveillance-datcov-report/ https://www.nicd.ac.za/diseases-a-z-index/disease-index-covi... Why would you make things up like that?
- native_samples 5y ago
  Yes they have. They have not been saying it's still a serious disease. Literally the very first thing they said was that it was "very mild" https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/safrican-doctor-says-patients-with-omicron-variant-have-very-mild-symptoms-2021-11-28/ https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/safrican-doctor-says-pa... A month and a half later she was still saying the same thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFXC-t6JSxw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFXC-t6JSxw "The South African doctor who first spotted the new Covid variant Omicron, Dr. Angelique Coetzee says the United Kingdom is “panicking unnecessarily”. She describes the symptoms of the highly mutated variant which has sparked global panic over fears that it is more contagious than other strains as “extremely mild”." Hospitalized with Omicron is effectively meaningless. Over half the people in the UK classed as hospitalized with Omicron definitely caught it in the hospital itself, and most were asymptomatic. The word doesn't mean what it normally means.
  - _djo_ 5y ago
    You are selectively cherry-picking data here. Dr Coetzee is one doctor with a relatively small number of patients, and she was always clear in stating that her observations were for her patients only. Nor has she or any other set of prominent South African doctors or scientists claimed that Omicron is no worse than the common cold. Dr Coetzee was also clear to state that her patient base was all relatively young in a country where many of the elderly have been vaccinated and there are high rates of seroprevalence amongst the youth. A level of seroprevalence that was bought at the cost of one of the world's highest death tolls from the virus. The broad studies that have been done suggest that Omicron may have been about 70% less likely to cause severe disease than Delta in South Africa. As for "hospitalized with Omicron is effectively meaningless", they found that the risks of death once hospitalised were the same for Omicron and Delta. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.21.21268116v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.21.21268116v... They also caution that it's preliminary research without the ability yet to rule out other contributing factors. For instance, when Omicron hit South Africa it was in between waves and at the tail end of a massive and devastating Delta-wave, which created substantial seroprevalence in urban areas. This is unlike the case in the US and Europe, where a Delta and Omicron wave have coincided. South Africa's Omicron wave also peaked and subsided extremely quickly, faster than is being seen in Europe and the US. Many of the elderly in the most affected areas had also been vaccinated, and they further caution that they can't predict Omicron's behaviour in a population with relatively low vaccination and low seroprevalence levels. Again, even if Omicron is substantially 'milder' than Delta, with the right conditions it doesn't matter because the increased infectiousness is enough to overwhelm hospitals anywhere. As we're seeing in the UK, parts of Europe, and all over the US.

coldtea 5y ago

>It's just risk management dude Risk management is about accessing risk and taking precautions. It's can very well be a private matter. Fussing, openly squirming, talking down to people out of anxiety, etc. is lacking dignity.

crispypotatoes 5y ago
> Fussing, openly squirming, talking down to people out of anxiety, etc. is lacking dignity. and this isn't what you're doing by calling people babies for being worried? You're anxious about taking the vaccine and talk down to people, by your logic you have no dignity