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> Unless I'm missing something, but despite me being a Ukrainian Am I missing something, you are low-key justifying Russian invasion of Ukraine. Its funny how

> Unless I'm missing something, but despite me being a Ukrainian Am I missing something, you are low-key justifying Russian invasion of Ukraine. Its funny how you twisted the whole thing to 'show' this from russian point of view. Kremlin always was messing with Ukrainian democracy in the first place, but maybe you heard about Donbass region and all of those poor lost russian soldiers coerced into up helping Russian separatists for almost TEN YEARS! I wonder why would Ukraine want to join Nato... hmmm it makes no sense. It must be to spite Kremlin.

andreygrehov 5y ago
> Am I missing something, you are low-key justifying Russian invasion of Ukraine. Yes, you are missing something. > Kremlin always was messing with Ukrainian democracy in the first place. That is simply not true. Messing with Ukrainian democracy has started on April 3, 2008, after the Bucharest Summit, with the NATO's Declaration that it welcomes Ukraine's and Georgia's Europe Atlantic aspirations for membership in NATO. That was a direct threat to Russia and they made it perfectly clear, same as the Monroe's Doctrine makes it perfectly clear that nobody, not a single country, is allowed to move military forces to the western hemisphere (say in Cuba), because it becomes a threat to the US. The decision at the Bucharest Summit led to a war in Georgia and Maidan in Ukraine. Prior to that, there was zero threat from Russia whatsoever. Since the west keeps pushing on the NATO's expansion (which is part of their strategy, along with promoting democracy and expanding the EU), Putin gives the US two choices: either Ukraine goes back to a pre-2014 state of being a neutral player OR Russia will wreck the country. So the root cause is not Putin being out of his mind, but the aggressive US's strategy to expand NATO. Once again, despite me being a Ukrainian, Putin's strategy is perfectly clear to me.
- me_me_me 5y ago
  > Messing with Ukrainian democracy has started on April 3, 2008, Aha, checks out. Welcome to HN Internet Research Agency employee
  - andreygrehov 5y ago
    I left Ukraine in 2013, but putting that aside, how else are you going to learn something without doing a research?

andreygrehov 5y ago

> Am I missing something, you are low-key justifying Russian invasion of Ukraine. Yes, you are missing something. > Kremlin always was messing with Ukrainian democracy in the first place. That is simply not true. Messing with Ukrainian democracy has started on April 3, 2008, after the Bucharest Summit, with the NATO's Declaration that it welcomes Ukraine's and Georgia's Europe Atlantic aspirations for membership in NATO. That was a direct threat to Russia and they made it perfectly clear, same as the Monroe's Doctrine makes it perfectly clear that nobody, not a single country, is allowed to move military forces to the western hemisphere (say in Cuba), because it becomes a threat to the US. The decision at the Bucharest Summit led to a war in Georgia and Maidan in Ukraine. Prior to that, there was zero threat from Russia whatsoever. Since the west keeps pushing on the NATO's expansion (which is part of their strategy, along with promoting democracy and expanding the EU), Putin gives the US two choices: either Ukraine goes back to a pre-2014 state of being a neutral player OR Russia will wreck the country. So the root cause is not Putin being out of his mind, but the aggressive US's strategy to expand NATO. Once again, despite me being a Ukrainian, Putin's strategy is perfectly clear to me.

me_me_me 5y ago
> Messing with Ukrainian democracy has started on April 3, 2008, Aha, checks out. Welcome to HN Internet Research Agency employee
- andreygrehov 5y ago
  I left Ukraine in 2013, but putting that aside, how else are you going to learn something without doing a research?