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Is the risk 1 out 100 for vaccinated?

Gibbon1 5y ago
Saw a table that showed vaxxed and boosted 80 year olds have a lower death rate from covid than unvaxxed 25 year olds. Other hand I think about 1 in 50 people over 75 have died from covid in the US.
- coldtea 5y ago
  >Saw a table that showed vaxxed and boosted 80 year olds have a lower death rate from covid than unvaxxed 25 year olds. Sounds totally unsupported from all I've read. Have a source?
  - microtherion 5y ago
    Alberta is publishing some very detailed tables which suggest that the death rates may be comparable, though they don't directly support the above claim: https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm#vaccine-outcomes https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm... (i.e. boosted 70-79 is lower than unvaxxed 12-29, though death rates rise steeply in 80+).
- ya_throw 5y ago
  Could you share that table? Here's that data for the UK (in section 4): https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsinvolvingcovid19byvaccinationstatusengland/deathsoccurringbetween1januaryand31october2021 https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsde... Maybe the unvaxxed 25 year olds where you live are spectacularly unhealthy.
- torstenvl 5y ago
  The table in question is here: https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm#vaccine-outcomes https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm... It doesn't seem to hold for deaths, but 80+yos with a booster have lower hospitalization and ICU rates than 12-29yos with no vaccination. Tables 6 and 8.
  - ya_throw 5y ago
    Wish it was possible to know how they define a Covid hospitalisation. Here in the UK, it literally means "someone admitted to hospital who tested positive for Covid". It sounds plausible, as the AHS definition of a Covid death is: "A death resulting from a clinically compatible illness, in a probable or confirmed COVID-19 case, unless there is a clear alternative cause of death identified (e.g., trauma, poisoning, drug overdose). A Medical Officer of Health or relevant public health authority may use their discretion when determining if a death was due to COVID-19, and their judgement will supersede the above criteria. A death due to COVID-19 may be attributed when COVID-19 is the cause of death or is a contributing factor."
wilde 5y ago
For deaths. We don’t have nearly as good of stats on long COVID, which is not a lifestyle I would pick for myself.
- waffle_maniac 5y ago
  That’s not what he was complaining about…
  - mikewarot 5y ago
    Which is exactly the problem. The risk of life long debilitation is far more than 1%, and should always be included in the assessment of risk.
isolli 5y ago
According to this table [0], the risk of death after infection for a 75-yo male is ~2%. After the vaccine, it should be around 0.2%. [0] https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/11/18/covid-infection-fatality-rates-sex-and-age-15163 https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/11/18/covid-infection-fatalit...
- deleted 5y ago
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Saw a table that showed vaxxed and boosted 80 year olds have a lower death rate from covid than unvaxxed 25 year olds. Other hand I think about 1 in 50 people over 75 have died from covid in the US.

coldtea 5y ago
>Saw a table that showed vaxxed and boosted 80 year olds have a lower death rate from covid than unvaxxed 25 year olds. Sounds totally unsupported from all I've read. Have a source?
- microtherion 5y ago
  Alberta is publishing some very detailed tables which suggest that the death rates may be comparable, though they don't directly support the above claim: https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm#vaccine-outcomes https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm... (i.e. boosted 70-79 is lower than unvaxxed 12-29, though death rates rise steeply in 80+).
ya_throw 5y ago
Could you share that table? Here's that data for the UK (in section 4): https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsinvolvingcovid19byvaccinationstatusengland/deathsoccurringbetween1januaryand31october2021 https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsde... Maybe the unvaxxed 25 year olds where you live are spectacularly unhealthy.
torstenvl 5y ago
The table in question is here: https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm#vaccine-outcomes https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm... It doesn't seem to hold for deaths, but 80+yos with a booster have lower hospitalization and ICU rates than 12-29yos with no vaccination. Tables 6 and 8.
- ya_throw 5y ago
  Wish it was possible to know how they define a Covid hospitalisation. Here in the UK, it literally means "someone admitted to hospital who tested positive for Covid". It sounds plausible, as the AHS definition of a Covid death is: "A death resulting from a clinically compatible illness, in a probable or confirmed COVID-19 case, unless there is a clear alternative cause of death identified (e.g., trauma, poisoning, drug overdose). A Medical Officer of Health or relevant public health authority may use their discretion when determining if a death was due to COVID-19, and their judgement will supersede the above criteria. A death due to COVID-19 may be attributed when COVID-19 is the cause of death or is a contributing factor."

wilde 5y ago

For deaths. We don’t have nearly as good of stats on long COVID, which is not a lifestyle I would pick for myself.

waffle_maniac 5y ago
That’s not what he was complaining about…
- mikewarot 5y ago
  Which is exactly the problem. The risk of life long debilitation is far more than 1%, and should always be included in the assessment of risk.

isolli 5y ago

According to this table [0], the risk of death after infection for a 75-yo male is ~2%. After the vaccine, it should be around 0.2%. [0] https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/11/18/covid-infection-fatality-rates-sex-and-age-15163 https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/11/18/covid-infection-fatalit...

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