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I'm not at all against these people being released after 24 hours on a misdemeanor. However if it's the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th time you've been caught stealing packa

I'm not at all against these people being released after 24 hours on a misdemeanor. However if it's the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th time you've been caught stealing packages from trains the punishment should definitely be increased. Is that not how it works?

throwawaysea 5y ago
No, unfortunately that’s not how it works at all. See my comment elsewhere in this discussion (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29963965 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29963965) for examples of how it actually plays out.
- coin 5y ago
  Can’t see your comment, it’s been flagged/removed/censored
  - throwawaysea 5y ago
    That’s unfortunate. I did notice my comment had a little notice saying ‘flagged’ almost immediately after I posted it, but I thought that people could still access flagged content with a direct link. I’m not sure how these secret features of the website work.
    - iancarroll 5y ago
      Your early-on blame towards George Soros (a magnet for conspiracy theorists, and with an article from 2016) does not help your comment. It’s fine to disagree with progressive prosecutors, but support for them has not been growing from a single person’s political campaign contributions.
      - throwawaysea 5y ago
        But that is also why I included a source for that note about Soros in my original comment. Commentary on George Soros is often labeled as conspiracy theory, but the reality is that organizations (PACs) funded by him have made campaign contributions to the very DAs that have implemented restorative justice policies. This isn’t a conspiracy theory - election law requires public disclosure of their campaign contributions. Both left-leaning (https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-prosecutor-campaign-20180523-story.html https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-prosecutor-ca...) and right-learning (https://nypost.com/2021/12/16/how-george-soros-funded-progressive-das-behind-us-crime-surge/ https://nypost.com/2021/12/16/how-george-soros-funded-progre...) news outlets have covered Soros’s investments in getting progressive DAs elected.
azinman2 5y ago
ars 5y ago
This is precisely why "3 strikes you're out" laws were written. They have their own issues, but now you can properly judge between their need and their issues.
- Manuel_D 5y ago
  3 strikes doesn't have to end in a life sentence - I think that is what was controversial, 3 felony convictions automatically resulting in a life sentence [1]. 3 train thefts and then you spend a week behind bars, or maybe compulsory rehab if the offender is an addict, is probably a reasonable deterrent. The present situation is drastically overreacting to older laws. 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-strikes_law https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-strikes_law
  - creato 5y ago
    I agree that 3 strikes ending in a life sentence is excessive, but a week for 3 train thefts is absurdly short. Most of these cases will go unsolved. The expected reward for stealing from a train (or anything else) needs to be more than a few hours in jail. It's literally a well paying job to steal from a train for living at that rate.
mraudiobook_com 5y ago
pmorici 5y ago
Basically in LA County the elected DA isn’t prosecuting anything but the most serious crimes and even then is taking an approach of extreme leniency even in particularly heinous cases of violent crime. https://www.city-journal.org/effort-to-recall-los-angeles-district-attorney-george-gascon https://www.city-journal.org/effort-to-recall-los-angeles-di...
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throwawaysea 5y ago

No, unfortunately that’s not how it works at all. See my comment elsewhere in this discussion (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29963965 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29963965) for examples of how it actually plays out.

coin 5y ago
Can’t see your comment, it’s been flagged/removed/censored
- throwawaysea 5y ago
  That’s unfortunate. I did notice my comment had a little notice saying ‘flagged’ almost immediately after I posted it, but I thought that people could still access flagged content with a direct link. I’m not sure how these secret features of the website work.
  - iancarroll 5y ago
    Your early-on blame towards George Soros (a magnet for conspiracy theorists, and with an article from 2016) does not help your comment. It’s fine to disagree with progressive prosecutors, but support for them has not been growing from a single person’s political campaign contributions.
    - throwawaysea 5y ago
      But that is also why I included a source for that note about Soros in my original comment. Commentary on George Soros is often labeled as conspiracy theory, but the reality is that organizations (PACs) funded by him have made campaign contributions to the very DAs that have implemented restorative justice policies. This isn’t a conspiracy theory - election law requires public disclosure of their campaign contributions. Both left-leaning (https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-prosecutor-campaign-20180523-story.html https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-prosecutor-ca...) and right-learning (https://nypost.com/2021/12/16/how-george-soros-funded-progressive-das-behind-us-crime-surge/ https://nypost.com/2021/12/16/how-george-soros-funded-progre...) news outlets have covered Soros’s investments in getting progressive DAs elected.

azinman2 5y ago

ars 5y ago

This is precisely why "3 strikes you're out" laws were written. They have their own issues, but now you can properly judge between their need and their issues.

Manuel_D 5y ago
3 strikes doesn't have to end in a life sentence - I think that is what was controversial, 3 felony convictions automatically resulting in a life sentence [1]. 3 train thefts and then you spend a week behind bars, or maybe compulsory rehab if the offender is an addict, is probably a reasonable deterrent. The present situation is drastically overreacting to older laws. 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-strikes_law https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-strikes_law
- creato 5y ago
  I agree that 3 strikes ending in a life sentence is excessive, but a week for 3 train thefts is absurdly short. Most of these cases will go unsolved. The expected reward for stealing from a train (or anything else) needs to be more than a few hours in jail. It's literally a well paying job to steal from a train for living at that rate.

mraudiobook_com 5y ago

pmorici 5y ago

Basically in LA County the elected DA isn’t prosecuting anything but the most serious crimes and even then is taking an approach of extreme leniency even in particularly heinous cases of violent crime. https://www.city-journal.org/effort-to-recall-los-angeles-district-attorney-george-gascon https://www.city-journal.org/effort-to-recall-los-angeles-di...

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