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It's a bit mind-boggling that FOSS authors who give their work away for free are the selfish baddies, and Microsoft of all people, are the communistic heroes in

It's a bit mind-boggling that FOSS authors who give their work away for free are the selfish baddies, and Microsoft of all people, are the communistic heroes in your telling.

shadowgovt 5y ago
Not all FOSS are selfish baddies. Not even most. Not even many. But Marak specifically is, and Microsoft being the good actor is indicative of how badly he messed up. If his goal was to make a statement about big corporations taking more than they give to FOSS, arranging things so Microsoft gets to be the hero was a foolish way to go about it.
fault1 5y ago
I mean, catering to the needs of the many rather than the few has pretty much been npm policy since left-pad-gate: https://twitter.com/seldo/status/712417019686100992 https://twitter.com/seldo/status/712417019686100992 https://blog.npmjs.org/post/141905368000/changes-to-npms-unpublish-policy https://blog.npmjs.org/post/141905368000/changes-to-npms-unp...
smt88 5y ago
> It's a bit mind-boggling that FOSS authors who give their work away for free are the selfish baddies This is a straw man. No one made this generalization. Marak, specifically, is a "selfish baddy", and it has nothing to do with FOSS. It has to do with his abuse of Github, npm, and Faker.js (which other people also contributed to) to distribute malware. None of that can be generalized to a position about FOSS, Microsoft, or any other nonsense you're trying to extrapolate. It's specifically about a bad actor who was removed from a platform.
- outsomnia 5y ago
  > or any other nonsense you're trying to extrapolate. Sorry you were complaining about straw man arguments?
  - DonHopkins 5y ago
    Yes he was, and you were making them.
    - outsomnia 5y ago
      Are you sure you understood my point? >> It's a "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" situation. > It's a bit mind-boggling that FOSS authors who give their work away for free are the selfish baddies, and Microsoft of all people, are the communistic heroes in your telling. The discussion is about Github - microsoft - undoing the author's changes, the guy I replied to saying that this was good because he felt the author was "doing harm". So he definitely is saying that microsoft are the heroes there defeating "harm". And since he is supposed to be "doing harm" for his own benefit, the FOSS author being overridden by microsoft is the "selfish baddie". For my edification, if you have a moment you can you help me understand where my comment failed to hew to a valid analysis of that part of the discussion and became some nasty straw manning activity?

It's a bit mind-boggling that FOSS authors who give their work away for free are the selfish baddies, and Microsoft of all people, are the communistic heroes in your telling.

shadowgovt 5y ago

Not all FOSS are selfish baddies. Not even most. Not even many. But Marak specifically is, and Microsoft being the good actor is indicative of how badly he messed up. If his goal was to make a statement about big corporations taking more than they give to FOSS, arranging things so Microsoft gets to be the hero was a foolish way to go about it.

fault1 5y ago

I mean, catering to the needs of the many rather than the few has pretty much been npm policy since left-pad-gate: https://twitter.com/seldo/status/712417019686100992 https://twitter.com/seldo/status/712417019686100992 https://blog.npmjs.org/post/141905368000/changes-to-npms-unpublish-policy https://blog.npmjs.org/post/141905368000/changes-to-npms-unp...

smt88 5y ago

> It's a bit mind-boggling that FOSS authors who give their work away for free are the selfish baddies This is a straw man. No one made this generalization. Marak, specifically, is a "selfish baddy", and it has nothing to do with FOSS. It has to do with his abuse of Github, npm, and Faker.js (which other people also contributed to) to distribute malware. None of that can be generalized to a position about FOSS, Microsoft, or any other nonsense you're trying to extrapolate. It's specifically about a bad actor who was removed from a platform.

outsomnia 5y ago
> or any other nonsense you're trying to extrapolate. Sorry you were complaining about straw man arguments?
- DonHopkins 5y ago
  Yes he was, and you were making them.
  - outsomnia 5y ago
    Are you sure you understood my point? >> It's a "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" situation. > It's a bit mind-boggling that FOSS authors who give their work away for free are the selfish baddies, and Microsoft of all people, are the communistic heroes in your telling. The discussion is about Github - microsoft - undoing the author's changes, the guy I replied to saying that this was good because he felt the author was "doing harm". So he definitely is saying that microsoft are the heroes there defeating "harm". And since he is supposed to be "doing harm" for his own benefit, the FOSS author being overridden by microsoft is the "selfish baddie". For my edification, if you have a moment you can you help me understand where my comment failed to hew to a valid analysis of that part of the discussion and became some nasty straw manning activity?