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> It's just insane that they could reverse engineer all of that in one or two seasons since they acquired gliders, Again, they didn’t reverse engineer it. They

> It's just insane that they could reverse engineer all of that in one or two seasons since they acquired gliders, Again, they didn’t reverse engineer it. They retrofitted it. They are not the same thing and the latter requires massively less understanding of the hardware to achieve. You’re other points about structural engineering, gravity, etc are valid but they could also easily be handwaved by saying “retrofitted Asgard systems”. Which is precisely what they did do in the show. In fact when they showed the Prometheus I too was like “how the fuck did you build that?” But then Sam Carter would say “it’s retrofitted with alien tech” (ie they didn’t engineer a lot of it. They ostensibly just built a nuclear submarine and bolted on some Asgard hardware to make it work in space). If you watch it carefully you’ll see that there was a sharing of peaceful technology. It was weapons tech that SG1 couldn’t secure. The talk about Asgard hyper drives, teleports and all sorts. And for the first few space flights it was always the American tech that was failing, not the alien systems. I do agree that there is still complexity even in retrofitting other peoples technology. However it is several orders of magnitude easier than reverse engineering it. The difference is like you buying a PC and writing an application to run on it vs designing a CPU, RAM, motherboard, storage, visual display unit, keyboard and mouse etc and then programming an operating system for your application to run on too. But since aliens weren’t sharing weapons tech (and bare in mind upscaling a handheld energy weapon to spaceship proportions requires reverse engineering rather than retrofitting), Earth was required to learn how to build energy weapons from scratch. > It's also perfectly fine to point out where that did go too far in a thread where we're explicitly discussing those missteps. I didn’t say you are not allowed to point it out. I’m just saying any soft SciFi will fall apart under heavy scrutiny. The point we were making wasn’t that Stargate was hard SciFi but rather that the tech progression was better than your average popular SciFi. Sure there are going to be aspects that seem off but most shows fair far worse because they will just invent some amazing piece of tech to save the heroes - tech that should alter the entire dynamic of the show - yet then never mention that tech again after that one episode. SG1 never really fell into that trap (relatively speaking).

naasking 5y ago
> Again, they didn’t reverse engineer it. They retrofitted it. They are not the same thing and the latter requires massively less understanding of the hardware to achieve. The X-302 and the Prometheus were fully human-built. They added the Asgard tech in later seasons, but they had hyperdrive prior to the retrofit you're talking about, see: https://stargate.fandom.com/wiki/Prometheus https://stargate.fandom.com/wiki/Prometheus > It was weapons tech that SG1 couldn’t secure. They reverse engineered the gliders by capturing some. That was the point of the X-301 retrofitted glider, which went bad, and the fully human-built X-302 fighter from reverse engineering glider tech. This includes human-built naquada and naquadria reactors, so reverse engineering this tech was not beyond their capabilities. That's why it makes no sense that they couldn't reverse engineer the staffs and zats in all of that time. It was a convenient plot point they used to drive exploration and trade with other species, but it never really made sense.
- laumars 5y ago
  > The X-302 and the Prometheus were fully human-built. They added the Asgard tech in later seasons, but they had hyperdrive prior to the retrofit you're talking about, see: That was a Gu’uld hyperdrive. Also retrofitted. > They reverse engineered the gliders by capturing some. That was the point of the X-301 retrofitted glider, which went bad, and the fully human-built X-302 fighter from reverse engineering glider tech. This includes human-built naquada and naquadria reactors, so reverse engineering this tech was not beyond their capabilities. Both were retrofitted. The first was a Death Glider with human hardware added. The latter was Human tech with Gu’uld hardware added. But that doesn’t mean they understood how tho build a hyperdrive. > That's why it makes no sense that they couldn't reverse engineer the staffs and zats in all of that time. It was a convenient plot point they used to drive exploration and trade with other species, but it never really made sense. I agree but it’s just a TV show for christs sake.
  - naasking 5y ago
    > That was a Gu’uld hyperdrive. Also retrofitted. > The latter was Human tech with Gu’uld hardware added. But that doesn’t mean they understood how tho build a hyperdrive. No, this is not correct, read the link. It literally says Prometheus was built on reverse engineered systems. The first hyperdrive was the naquadria design Carter came up with. Then it was replaced with an Al'kesh drive that was more reliable. The whole point of the human-built ships is that they couldn't rely on captured tech because the Goa'uld had been booby trapping them.
    - laumars 5y ago
      > No, this is not correct, read the link. It literally says Prometheus was built on reverse engineered systems. It’s a fan page of a TV show, not a technical manual. so I’m not going to take their use of technical jargon literally. I distinctly remember them using the term “retrofitted” over and over again in the show. But maybe they did also say then second design was “reverse engineered” and I overlooked that. It’s all just make believe anyway so it’s not like it really matters who’s right :)

naasking 5y ago

> Again, they didn’t reverse engineer it. They retrofitted it. They are not the same thing and the latter requires massively less understanding of the hardware to achieve. The X-302 and the Prometheus were fully human-built. They added the Asgard tech in later seasons, but they had hyperdrive prior to the retrofit you're talking about, see: https://stargate.fandom.com/wiki/Prometheus https://stargate.fandom.com/wiki/Prometheus > It was weapons tech that SG1 couldn’t secure. They reverse engineered the gliders by capturing some. That was the point of the X-301 retrofitted glider, which went bad, and the fully human-built X-302 fighter from reverse engineering glider tech. This includes human-built naquada and naquadria reactors, so reverse engineering this tech was not beyond their capabilities. That's why it makes no sense that they couldn't reverse engineer the staffs and zats in all of that time. It was a convenient plot point they used to drive exploration and trade with other species, but it never really made sense.

laumars 5y ago
> The X-302 and the Prometheus were fully human-built. They added the Asgard tech in later seasons, but they had hyperdrive prior to the retrofit you're talking about, see: That was a Gu’uld hyperdrive. Also retrofitted. > They reverse engineered the gliders by capturing some. That was the point of the X-301 retrofitted glider, which went bad, and the fully human-built X-302 fighter from reverse engineering glider tech. This includes human-built naquada and naquadria reactors, so reverse engineering this tech was not beyond their capabilities. Both were retrofitted. The first was a Death Glider with human hardware added. The latter was Human tech with Gu’uld hardware added. But that doesn’t mean they understood how tho build a hyperdrive. > That's why it makes no sense that they couldn't reverse engineer the staffs and zats in all of that time. It was a convenient plot point they used to drive exploration and trade with other species, but it never really made sense. I agree but it’s just a TV show for christs sake.
- naasking 5y ago
  > That was a Gu’uld hyperdrive. Also retrofitted. > The latter was Human tech with Gu’uld hardware added. But that doesn’t mean they understood how tho build a hyperdrive. No, this is not correct, read the link. It literally says Prometheus was built on reverse engineered systems. The first hyperdrive was the naquadria design Carter came up with. Then it was replaced with an Al'kesh drive that was more reliable. The whole point of the human-built ships is that they couldn't rely on captured tech because the Goa'uld had been booby trapping them.
  - laumars 5y ago
    > No, this is not correct, read the link. It literally says Prometheus was built on reverse engineered systems. It’s a fan page of a TV show, not a technical manual. so I’m not going to take their use of technical jargon literally. I distinctly remember them using the term “retrofitted” over and over again in the show. But maybe they did also say then second design was “reverse engineered” and I overlooked that. It’s all just make believe anyway so it’s not like it really matters who’s right :)