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This style existed since antiquity. Even Roman patricians lived in villas, which were standalone houses.

acdha 5y ago
I’m aware. Note how I specifically highlighted the imbalance caused by pretending it was the best option which most of the country was told to aspire to.
- pandaman 5y ago
  So who told Roman nobility to pretend they liked to live in their own houses and forced them out of lovely insulae with all the people living nearby and music and social life? I am guessing the "corporate media" is telling this to the people now, but who had been doing this all through the history before the printing press had been invented?
  - acdha 5y ago
    Sure, lots of people want to live like nobility but that doesn’t make it practical. Consider that when I wrote “the ideal” I was referring to the practicality of having a single style pushed as the goal for everyone. I don’t think suburbs should be banned but I do think they should be sustainably self-funding and that cities should reverse course and favor their own residents over car commuters.
    - pandaman 5y ago
      I am not arguing practicality, I was just curious about the whole idea that people don't actually like to live separately and had been tricked into liking that by some unnamed forces. Obviously many people cannot afford the lifestyle they desire, I dare say nobody can. Even Elon Musk probably wants to live in a flying castle on Mars yet he has to make do with various mansions on Earth, such is life.
talideon 5y ago
Yes, patricians. That's a hint this kind of thing isn't sustainable when everyone is doing it.
- pandaman 5y ago
  This is also a hint that people were not told to pretend they like it, is not it? Rich and powerful all through the history do not shun low density living and personal transport yet the message that I've replied to asserts that people only want these things because they are told to pretend they are desirable but without external influence people would rather live in apartments and have no personal transport.
  - talideon 5y ago
    At this point even out "patricians" shouldn't really be living in low density housing either.
    - pandaman 5y ago
      So you are not even arguing practicality, it's just straight up class conflict for you? Color me unsurprised.
      - talideon 5y ago
        WTF are you even talking about? You were contrasting a world that had about 150,000,000 people living it with today where we have about 7,800,000,000. It's nothing to do with "class conflict", and all to do with load bearing. As things stand, we only just have the resources to support a fraction of those at Western living standards, and we damned well can't support the billions who haven't achieved them yet as things stand. So yes, it's all about practicality. And you and I are amongst the "patricians" already. Also, don't pretend you know me at all.
        pandaman 5y ago
        If it had nothing to do with the class conflict then you would not care how rich people live because rich accommodations do not create any noticeable load. And as for practicality - somebody living in a big house would not make your apartment any less practical yet you think everybody has to live like you. I don't know if you are fooling yourself into thinking you are being rational and caring for environment and practicality but you are not fooling me.

I’m aware. Note how I specifically highlighted the imbalance caused by pretending it was the best option which most of the country was told to aspire to.

pandaman 5y ago
So who told Roman nobility to pretend they liked to live in their own houses and forced them out of lovely insulae with all the people living nearby and music and social life? I am guessing the "corporate media" is telling this to the people now, but who had been doing this all through the history before the printing press had been invented?
- acdha 5y ago
  Sure, lots of people want to live like nobility but that doesn’t make it practical. Consider that when I wrote “the ideal” I was referring to the practicality of having a single style pushed as the goal for everyone. I don’t think suburbs should be banned but I do think they should be sustainably self-funding and that cities should reverse course and favor their own residents over car commuters.
  - pandaman 5y ago
    I am not arguing practicality, I was just curious about the whole idea that people don't actually like to live separately and had been tricked into liking that by some unnamed forces. Obviously many people cannot afford the lifestyle they desire, I dare say nobody can. Even Elon Musk probably wants to live in a flying castle on Mars yet he has to make do with various mansions on Earth, such is life.

talideon 5y ago

Yes, patricians. That's a hint this kind of thing isn't sustainable when everyone is doing it.

pandaman 5y ago
This is also a hint that people were not told to pretend they like it, is not it? Rich and powerful all through the history do not shun low density living and personal transport yet the message that I've replied to asserts that people only want these things because they are told to pretend they are desirable but without external influence people would rather live in apartments and have no personal transport.
- talideon 5y ago
  At this point even out "patricians" shouldn't really be living in low density housing either.
  - pandaman 5y ago
    So you are not even arguing practicality, it's just straight up class conflict for you? Color me unsurprised.
    - talideon 5y ago
      WTF are you even talking about? You were contrasting a world that had about 150,000,000 people living it with today where we have about 7,800,000,000. It's nothing to do with "class conflict", and all to do with load bearing. As things stand, we only just have the resources to support a fraction of those at Western living standards, and we damned well can't support the billions who haven't achieved them yet as things stand. So yes, it's all about practicality. And you and I are amongst the "patricians" already. Also, don't pretend you know me at all.
      - pandaman 5y ago
        If it had nothing to do with the class conflict then you would not care how rich people live because rich accommodations do not create any noticeable load. And as for practicality - somebody living in a big house would not make your apartment any less practical yet you think everybody has to live like you. I don't know if you are fooling yourself into thinking you are being rational and caring for environment and practicality but you are not fooling me.