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Isn't it odd that crime is skyrocketing in places which are governed by people who think in these terms? It is almost as if policies which are based on those id

by Ourgon 5y ago

Isn't it odd that crime is skyrocketing in places which are governed by people who think in these terms? It is almost as if policies which are based on those ideas lead people into a life of crime where they would otherwise have been given the satisfaction of taking care of themselves. It is not as if it is hard to get a job right now after all?

nopenopenopeno 5y ago
If you think The Democratic Party gives a damn about poor people, you are the one getting taken for a ride. And if you think “a job” is all it takes to not be poor, then you are just completely out of touch with reality.
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- Ourgon 5y ago
  Note how I did not state the people doing the stealing are poor. If you think they are, please explain the many images of people driving up in fairly new and rather shiny cars to fill them with looted goods. This looting is not done by "the poor" and they are not stealing "to fill their hungry children's mouths". They are looting because it is free season, they'll either use or sell off whatever loot they get and spend the returns on whatever they fancy.
Hokusai 5y ago
> It is not as if it is hard to get a job right now after all? What makes you think that poor people does not have jobs? Search the term "the working poor".
- leto_ii 5y ago
  > Search the term "the working poor". Better yet, check out "working homeless" (take [1] for example). That things like this happen in the richest, most powerful country in history is beyond belief. [1] https://www.npr.org/2018/09/30/652572292/working-while-homeless-a-tough-job-for-thousands-of-californians?t=1642368731254 https://www.npr.org/2018/09/30/652572292/working-while-homel...
cortesoft 5y ago
I have no idea what you mean by "those terms" and "those ideas"
scollet 5y ago
It's hard to make a living wage right now, yes.
dls2016 5y ago
Uhm… so we ignore that rail yards in LA are super busy relative to those in “more respectable” towns?
ameister14 5y ago
What do you mean by 'skyrocketing?' Does that mean 'consistently lowering over the last 10-20 years and now significantly lower than it was 20 years ago?' Because that's a pretty odd definition. Odder still - while CA homicide rates have increased in 2020-2021, they have done so by a percentage LOWER than the national average. So basically, CA is safer and has lower homicide rates than the national average and your suggestion is to change leadership to be more like the rest of the country?
Lammy 5y ago
> Isn't it odd that crime is skyrocketing in places which are governed by people who think in these terms? "Fun" facts: California was the epicenter of the 20th-century American eugenics movement[0] whose ideas became very famous around 1940, was the place that invented single-family zoning[1] (in Berkeley in 1916) immediately after banning land ownership by non-whites in 1913[2], that once passed a state referendum to explicitly nullify a state-level fair-housing act[3] passed a year prior, that passed the first modern firearms-restriction act on explicitly racial grounds[4], and that pioneered regressive segregation-with-extra-steps property tax laws[5]. It is an extremely racially-segregated place, to this day[6], and always has been despite our leaders' constant pandering to the contrary. There are so many things to love about California, but this isn't one of them and I'd urge you to reconsider what you know about it :/ [0] https://www.alternet.org/2020/12/josef-mengele/ https://www.alternet.org/2020/12/josef-mengele/ [1] https://globalurban.org/Berkeley_Zoning_Origins.pdf https://globalurban.org/Berkeley_Zoning_Origins.pdf [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Alien_Land_Law_of_1913 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Alien_Land_Law_of_1... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_California_Proposition_14 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_California_Proposition_14 [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_California_Proposition_13 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_California_Proposition_13 [6] http://radicalcartography.net/index.html?bayarea http://radicalcartography.net/index.html?bayarea

by Ourgon 5y ago

nopenopenopeno 5y ago

If you think The Democratic Party gives a damn about poor people, you are the one getting taken for a ride. And if you think “a job” is all it takes to not be poor, then you are just completely out of touch with reality.

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Ourgon 5y ago
Note how I did not state the people doing the stealing are poor. If you think they are, please explain the many images of people driving up in fairly new and rather shiny cars to fill them with looted goods. This looting is not done by "the poor" and they are not stealing "to fill their hungry children's mouths". They are looting because it is free season, they'll either use or sell off whatever loot they get and spend the returns on whatever they fancy.

Hokusai 5y ago

> It is not as if it is hard to get a job right now after all? What makes you think that poor people does not have jobs? Search the term "the working poor".

leto_ii 5y ago
> Search the term "the working poor". Better yet, check out "working homeless" (take [1] for example). That things like this happen in the richest, most powerful country in history is beyond belief. [1] https://www.npr.org/2018/09/30/652572292/working-while-homeless-a-tough-job-for-thousands-of-californians?t=1642368731254 https://www.npr.org/2018/09/30/652572292/working-while-homel...

cortesoft 5y ago

I have no idea what you mean by "those terms" and "those ideas"

scollet 5y ago

It's hard to make a living wage right now, yes.

dls2016 5y ago

Uhm… so we ignore that rail yards in LA are super busy relative to those in “more respectable” towns?

ameister14 5y ago

What do you mean by 'skyrocketing?' Does that mean 'consistently lowering over the last 10-20 years and now significantly lower than it was 20 years ago?' Because that's a pretty odd definition. Odder still - while CA homicide rates have increased in 2020-2021, they have done so by a percentage LOWER than the national average. So basically, CA is safer and has lower homicide rates than the national average and your suggestion is to change leadership to be more like the rest of the country?

Lammy 5y ago

> Isn't it odd that crime is skyrocketing in places which are governed by people who think in these terms? "Fun" facts: California was the epicenter of the 20th-century American eugenics movement[0] whose ideas became very famous around 1940, was the place that invented single-family zoning[1] (in Berkeley in 1916) immediately after banning land ownership by non-whites in 1913[2], that once passed a state referendum to explicitly nullify a state-level fair-housing act[3] passed a year prior, that passed the first modern firearms-restriction act on explicitly racial grounds[4], and that pioneered regressive segregation-with-extra-steps property tax laws[5]. It is an extremely racially-segregated place, to this day[6], and always has been despite our leaders' constant pandering to the contrary. There are so many things to love about California, but this isn't one of them and I'd urge you to reconsider what you know about it :/ [0] https://www.alternet.org/2020/12/josef-mengele/ https://www.alternet.org/2020/12/josef-mengele/ [1] https://globalurban.org/Berkeley_Zoning_Origins.pdf https://globalurban.org/Berkeley_Zoning_Origins.pdf [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Alien_Land_Law_of_1913 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Alien_Land_Law_of_1... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_California_Proposition_14 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_California_Proposition_14 [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_California_Proposition_13 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_California_Proposition_13 [6] http://radicalcartography.net/index.html?bayarea http://radicalcartography.net/index.html?bayarea