This is very feel good but falls short of making an actual point. > The hypothetical homogeneous group 'they' you refer to doesn't exist They do exist. Making

This is very feel good but falls short of making an actual point. > The hypothetical homogeneous group 'they' you refer to doesn't exist They do exist. Making wrong statements with conviction doesn't make it true. You can look Chromebook sales figures, you can look at the best selling laptops at major retailers, you can look at what's driving record laptop sales, look at price points that are soaring, look at the mobile space... - > It's billions of people and 'they' feel many ways. Which is why we draw conclusions based on a large sample size like I did above. You're never going to be able to consider billions of points of view, so yes, you need to try and find the common thread in their preferences and usages. - > By painting with a common brush, you shut down discussions of what could be and encourage fence sitters to give up. No, by painting with a common brush, you can have actual useful discussions about the reality of things, rather than espousing your own personal whims. - > Let's talk about why it's possible, easy to do, and how to do it. a) Where did my comment say it's impossible? b) It's not easy to do or it wouldn't have existed in the first place. The whole point of my comment is saying that you need to figure out how to do it taking the current reality of things into context. If the world thought how HN does we'd already have bills banning IME and PSB. So it doesn't. You can't pretend that people actually are a little nudge away from caring about this, or you'll quickly find that you're wrong and nothing will have actually changed. - > The more fence sitters you convince that things are possible, pushes the fence further and further towards the other side. Again, what you could do if you believed that fence sitters were some large portion of laptop buyers is do what I've done, show some indications of this. Show us how niche efforts aimed at power users aren't the only rumblings about how awful locked down computing is. What you're doing is still painting a group with a large brush, except you're not even showing us where you got the paint.