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There's more of a moral maze when it comes to forced, mandated vaccination, which I think this is about. For example, it can be argued that it is an individua

There's more of a moral maze when it comes to forced, mandated vaccination, which I think this is about. For example, it can be argued that it is an individuals right to choose what happens to their body, healthcare should be voluntary and people should expect no penalty in a healthy free society. That's different than if a vaccine is morally ok to choose voluntarily.

vineyardmike 5y ago
No it’s not. We’ve had mandated vaccines forever and no one cared until it became political during covid. People made it political and people are avoiding vaccines for politic. blaming it protecting freedoms i stead harming public health for politics is a less morally corrupt stance to take.
- Ancapistani 5y ago
  > We’ve had mandated vaccines forever That’s news to me.
  - Boxxed 5y ago
    My state requires about a half dozen vaccines (polio, HepB, MMR, ...) to attend any public school from K to college. For some reason there's some sort of collective amnesia about this and people are acting like this is the first time there's been a vaccine requirement.
    - Ancapistani 5y ago
      That's different in several ways. First, it isn't truly a "mandate". It applies to the vast majority of people and the vast majority of those people comply without complaint, true - but it's possible to avoid it if that's your intent. My wife and I homeschool our children. While vaccination requirements have absolutely nothing to do with our decision to do so, it has given us the opportunity to consider which vaccinations we feel make sense for our children, and which we feel don't. I'd have to go back through their records to be sure which ones we decided against, but there are some things we vaccinate against as a society where the both the incidence rate and potential severity are extremely low, and the risk of serious side effects - while also extremely low - outweighs the potential reward in our eyes. Through this process, we also decided that it made sense to use a different vaccination schedule than is typical, and to do separate injections for things that are usually "bundled" (e.g., MMR). Second, those measures effect children, not adults. While I don't agree with this position, it's generally accepted that the state has greater latitude in protecting the health and safety of minors than with adults. Finally, there are people who vocally oppose at least some of the childhood vaccination requirements. Merck lobbied for the inclusion of an HPV vaccine (Gardasil) in the requirements for school, which got a lot of flack from the right. IMO, their rationale was silly ("It promotes sexual activity!"), but that's still an example of people strongly opposing a vaccine requirement.
  - merlincorey 5y ago
    If you or your parents want you to go to Public School in America, most places require vaccinations unless there is a medical exception. Religious exceptions in many places would lead to home schooling because the Public School is not required to accept your child. The CDC has a nice polar graph displaying the state-by-state exemptions for Public School: https://www.cdc.gov/phlp/publications/topic/vaccinations.html https://www.cdc.gov/phlp/publications/topic/vaccinations.htm...
    - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
      That isn’t a mandate. Just as we presently don’t have a mandate in America. Just limits on aspiring typhoid Mary’s.
      - vineyardmike 5y ago
        And none of the COVID vaccine rules are mandates then. If you want to go to public school, you need vaccines. Now, if you want to go to public work, you need vaccines. You can be a hermit at home and not get any vaccine in america and no one is going to come around with a needle and force it in you.
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- thinkingemote 5y ago
  This comment would read better if it were to admit that yes it is a different moral question to be forced to do something compared to doing something voluntarily but that in this context of the vaccine it's a not bad choice.
  - vineyardmike 5y ago
    Being forced to do something, yes is a different moral question. Being forced to get a vaccine is a moral question we answered a long time ago, however.

vineyardmike 5y ago

No it’s not. We’ve had mandated vaccines forever and no one cared until it became political during covid. People made it political and people are avoiding vaccines for politic. blaming it protecting freedoms i stead harming public health for politics is a less morally corrupt stance to take.

Ancapistani 5y ago
> We’ve had mandated vaccines forever That’s news to me.
- Boxxed 5y ago
  My state requires about a half dozen vaccines (polio, HepB, MMR, ...) to attend any public school from K to college. For some reason there's some sort of collective amnesia about this and people are acting like this is the first time there's been a vaccine requirement.
  - Ancapistani 5y ago
    That's different in several ways. First, it isn't truly a "mandate". It applies to the vast majority of people and the vast majority of those people comply without complaint, true - but it's possible to avoid it if that's your intent. My wife and I homeschool our children. While vaccination requirements have absolutely nothing to do with our decision to do so, it has given us the opportunity to consider which vaccinations we feel make sense for our children, and which we feel don't. I'd have to go back through their records to be sure which ones we decided against, but there are some things we vaccinate against as a society where the both the incidence rate and potential severity are extremely low, and the risk of serious side effects - while also extremely low - outweighs the potential reward in our eyes. Through this process, we also decided that it made sense to use a different vaccination schedule than is typical, and to do separate injections for things that are usually "bundled" (e.g., MMR). Second, those measures effect children, not adults. While I don't agree with this position, it's generally accepted that the state has greater latitude in protecting the health and safety of minors than with adults. Finally, there are people who vocally oppose at least some of the childhood vaccination requirements. Merck lobbied for the inclusion of an HPV vaccine (Gardasil) in the requirements for school, which got a lot of flack from the right. IMO, their rationale was silly ("It promotes sexual activity!"), but that's still an example of people strongly opposing a vaccine requirement.
- merlincorey 5y ago
  If you or your parents want you to go to Public School in America, most places require vaccinations unless there is a medical exception. Religious exceptions in many places would lead to home schooling because the Public School is not required to accept your child. The CDC has a nice polar graph displaying the state-by-state exemptions for Public School: https://www.cdc.gov/phlp/publications/topic/vaccinations.html https://www.cdc.gov/phlp/publications/topic/vaccinations.htm...
  - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
    That isn’t a mandate. Just as we presently don’t have a mandate in America. Just limits on aspiring typhoid Mary’s.
    - vineyardmike 5y ago
      And none of the COVID vaccine rules are mandates then. If you want to go to public school, you need vaccines. Now, if you want to go to public work, you need vaccines. You can be a hermit at home and not get any vaccine in america and no one is going to come around with a needle and force it in you.
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thinkingemote 5y ago
This comment would read better if it were to admit that yes it is a different moral question to be forced to do something compared to doing something voluntarily but that in this context of the vaccine it's a not bad choice.
- vineyardmike 5y ago
  Being forced to do something, yes is a different moral question. Being forced to get a vaccine is a moral question we answered a long time ago, however.