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Dumb stunt- has a critical safety malfunction on average every 8 minutes; has been on the market for at least 6 months; has never been recalled. Have they t

Dumb stunt- has a critical safety malfunction on average every 8 minutes; has been on the market for at least 6 months; has never been recalled. Have they tried Ford's self driving system on the Mach-E, and see how it auto-disengages when a highway curved more than what the system can handle? Would that count as a critical safety malfunction? I'd never use FSD in its current state, but FSD had plenty of recalls by way of version rollbacks.

waffle_maniac 5y ago
FSD needs a permanent recall. I don't consent to alpha software being used on roads.
- ben_w 5y ago
  I appreciate the sentiment, especially given the types of failure mode, but the stats (such as they are) indicate the cars are safer with it switched on than without it. To the extent that it’s possible to know anything, it looks like it makes cars less unsafe.
  - waffle_maniac 5y ago
    It looks like that because they only release FSD to Tesla cult members that know the software is dangerous. Once they start rolling out to lower safety scores (i.e. normal people) the suicide missions will begin.
  - icapulet2 5y ago
    The data comes from Tesla, not from third party investigators. The minimal data from third parties, like Consumer Reports, says it's shit outside of highway use (which is the safest kind of road to travel on already).
- spiderice 5y ago
  Why do you think your consent is necessary or relevant? You do consent, by driving on the roads with them. "I don't consent to sharing the road with large SUVs" Did I just make large SUVs illegal?
  - ben_w 5y ago
    > You do consent, by driving on the roads with them. That’s not how consent works. Implied consent doesn’t override explicit refusal of consent. > Did I just make large SUVs illegal? No, but you could reasonably infer that you want them to be made so.
tyrfing 5y ago
None of these systems are "self driving", and Tesla is the only company I've seen falsely advertise their system as capable of such. Ford's BlueCruise, for example, requires the driver to watch the road, and seems to be pretty accurately advertised: https://www.consumerreports.org/driver-assistance-systems/ford-bluecruise-active-driving-assistance-system-review-a5728630415/ https://www.consumerreports.org/driver-assistance-systems/fo...

waffle_maniac 5y ago

FSD needs a permanent recall. I don't consent to alpha software being used on roads.

ben_w 5y ago
I appreciate the sentiment, especially given the types of failure mode, but the stats (such as they are) indicate the cars are safer with it switched on than without it. To the extent that it’s possible to know anything, it looks like it makes cars less unsafe.
- waffle_maniac 5y ago
  It looks like that because they only release FSD to Tesla cult members that know the software is dangerous. Once they start rolling out to lower safety scores (i.e. normal people) the suicide missions will begin.
- icapulet2 5y ago
  The data comes from Tesla, not from third party investigators. The minimal data from third parties, like Consumer Reports, says it's shit outside of highway use (which is the safest kind of road to travel on already).
spiderice 5y ago
Why do you think your consent is necessary or relevant? You do consent, by driving on the roads with them. "I don't consent to sharing the road with large SUVs" Did I just make large SUVs illegal?
- ben_w 5y ago
  > You do consent, by driving on the roads with them. That’s not how consent works. Implied consent doesn’t override explicit refusal of consent. > Did I just make large SUVs illegal? No, but you could reasonably infer that you want them to be made so.

tyrfing 5y ago

None of these systems are "self driving", and Tesla is the only company I've seen falsely advertise their system as capable of such. Ford's BlueCruise, for example, requires the driver to watch the road, and seems to be pretty accurately advertised: https://www.consumerreports.org/driver-assistance-systems/ford-bluecruise-active-driving-assistance-system-review-a5728630415/ https://www.consumerreports.org/driver-assistance-systems/fo...