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All in the name of "security" of course.

by turminal 5y ago

brink 5y ago
All this security is making me feel claustrophobic.
- userbinator 5y ago
  No kidding. They're squeezing us slowly. There's a saying about how the best way to make people unware of what freedoms they're losing is to ensure they never had freedom in the first place.
userbinator 5y ago
It's been around a decade since Secure Boot first appeared and I remember well the opposition that had, along with a rallying cry based on the infamous Franklin quote. Unfortunately many of the opposition either accepted it or even defected, but the more this "security" stuff appears, the more I like that quote. It's succinct and gets the sentiment across very well.
- Avamander 5y ago
  Secure Boot is really quite separate from AMD PSB and actually does provide protection against certain attacks, no need for the double quotes. It's fortunate, not unfortunate, that we've gone past such irrational opposition to a reasonable extent. Irrational opposition like that makes it much harder to talk about what's actually important, such as PSB/PSP, without getting lumped together with the tinfoil crowd.
  - userbinator 5y ago
    It's most definitely not "irrational opposition". It's the observation that computing systems have slowly become increasingly user-hostile in the name of "security", and the associated rise of authoritarianism. There's no doubt it "does provide protection against certain attacks", but the thing is WE DON'T CARE. We don't want our freedoms slowly being eroded, we see the edges slowly creeping in, and the best way to do that is to take a strong DO NOT WANT attitude towards any such dubious steps in that direction. Most people thought Stallman was in "the tinfoil crowd" 20 years ago. Yet his predictions have turned out more correct than not. Slowly, the frog boils... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29859106 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29859106
    - Avamander 5y ago
      It's not "rise of authoritarianism" when your bootloader does a few checks you can disable. Stop with the ridiculous overdramatisations. > but the thing is WE DON'T CARE YOU don't care, FTFY. > Most people thought Stallman was in "the tinfoil crowd" 20 years ago. Just because some things RMS has said have become true does not mean that other things he has said will. Neither does that truth value carry over to other arguments considered similar.

All in the name of "security" of course.

brink 5y ago

All this security is making me feel claustrophobic.

userbinator 5y ago
No kidding. They're squeezing us slowly. There's a saying about how the best way to make people unware of what freedoms they're losing is to ensure they never had freedom in the first place.

userbinator 5y ago

It's been around a decade since Secure Boot first appeared and I remember well the opposition that had, along with a rallying cry based on the infamous Franklin quote. Unfortunately many of the opposition either accepted it or even defected, but the more this "security" stuff appears, the more I like that quote. It's succinct and gets the sentiment across very well.

Avamander 5y ago
Secure Boot is really quite separate from AMD PSB and actually does provide protection against certain attacks, no need for the double quotes. It's fortunate, not unfortunate, that we've gone past such irrational opposition to a reasonable extent. Irrational opposition like that makes it much harder to talk about what's actually important, such as PSB/PSP, without getting lumped together with the tinfoil crowd.
- userbinator 5y ago
  It's most definitely not "irrational opposition". It's the observation that computing systems have slowly become increasingly user-hostile in the name of "security", and the associated rise of authoritarianism. There's no doubt it "does provide protection against certain attacks", but the thing is WE DON'T CARE. We don't want our freedoms slowly being eroded, we see the edges slowly creeping in, and the best way to do that is to take a strong DO NOT WANT attitude towards any such dubious steps in that direction. Most people thought Stallman was in "the tinfoil crowd" 20 years ago. Yet his predictions have turned out more correct than not. Slowly, the frog boils... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29859106 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29859106
  - Avamander 5y ago
    It's not "rise of authoritarianism" when your bootloader does a few checks you can disable. Stop with the ridiculous overdramatisations. > but the thing is WE DON'T CARE YOU don't care, FTFY. > Most people thought Stallman was in "the tinfoil crowd" 20 years ago. Just because some things RMS has said have become true does not mean that other things he has said will. Neither does that truth value carry over to other arguments considered similar.