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I don’t know. Doctors work 80+ hour weeks, calls and holidays making $50,000 a year in their twenties and early 30s after paying for the privilege of grueling m

I don’t know. Doctors work 80+ hour weeks, calls and holidays making $50,000 a year in their twenties and early 30s after paying for the privilege of grueling med school. Then they come out, maybe work 60-hours but still have the call, weekends and holidays. Then people kind of smugly think salaries like$300,000 a year is a lot. Well yeah; it’s-a lot but it took aheluva time getting to that point making about minimum wage and once they’re finished with training is not like they’re working 40 hour weeks with weekends and holidays off like most of us.

dragontamer 5y ago
I mostly agree, but I'll point out that the $300,000 / year part isn't the problem. If we just raise the doctor's salaries to $500,000/year, it won't really solve those other, more important issues. ------ Similarly, if we lower the cost of creating Doctors, I don't think we'll necessarily see a drop in their salary. We're in too much of a doctor shortage for that to happen, at least immediately. (Of course, the market / supply+demand will shift things in the long run, but that's over a 20+ year cycle and not over a short one)
908B64B197 5y ago
I have no doubt this is hard work, but is it smart work? From having been around residents, I can tell there's a lot of work getting done 2-3 times because of poor communication or sleep deprived professionals making mistakes. And there’s absolutely no automation in the field! Why not simply work smart instead of hard?
- throwthere 5y ago
  Do I understand what you’re saying… doctors are working hard because they’re not working smart? Maybe the answer is they just need a sufficiently smart person to tell them how to work?
  - 908B64B197 5y ago
    > doctors are working hard because they’re not working smart? Maybe the answer is they just need a sufficiently smart person to tell them how to work? Correct. Duplicated work, endless shifts because it's believed that switching doctors is more dangerous than having one work for 24 hours at a time are all accepted practices in modern medicine. NASA (and the military) figured out how to solve both issues back in the 60’s as it was impossible for manned flight to work (or nuclear subs). The medical field still has not, and there’s no incentives to (it’s not result-based, unlike NASA).
grayfaced 5y ago
Residency programs are straight up exploitive and the crazy hours they work young doctors is dangerous. Pilots have mandatory crew rest. Truck drivers have mandatory rest. Doctors need mandatory rest too. Any job that involves real risk to life should have rest procedures. * Each duty period must begin with at least 10 hours off-duty. * Drivers may work no more than 60 hours on-duty over seven consecutive days or 70 hours over eight days.... * Drivers may be on duty for up to 14 hours following 10 hours off duty, but they are limited to 11 hours of driving time.

dragontamer 5y ago

I mostly agree, but I'll point out that the $300,000 / year part isn't the problem. If we just raise the doctor's salaries to $500,000/year, it won't really solve those other, more important issues. ------ Similarly, if we lower the cost of creating Doctors, I don't think we'll necessarily see a drop in their salary. We're in too much of a doctor shortage for that to happen, at least immediately. (Of course, the market / supply+demand will shift things in the long run, but that's over a 20+ year cycle and not over a short one)

908B64B197 5y ago

I have no doubt this is hard work, but is it smart work? From having been around residents, I can tell there's a lot of work getting done 2-3 times because of poor communication or sleep deprived professionals making mistakes. And there’s absolutely no automation in the field! Why not simply work smart instead of hard?

throwthere 5y ago
Do I understand what you’re saying… doctors are working hard because they’re not working smart? Maybe the answer is they just need a sufficiently smart person to tell them how to work?
- 908B64B197 5y ago
  > doctors are working hard because they’re not working smart? Maybe the answer is they just need a sufficiently smart person to tell them how to work? Correct. Duplicated work, endless shifts because it's believed that switching doctors is more dangerous than having one work for 24 hours at a time are all accepted practices in modern medicine. NASA (and the military) figured out how to solve both issues back in the 60’s as it was impossible for manned flight to work (or nuclear subs). The medical field still has not, and there’s no incentives to (it’s not result-based, unlike NASA).

grayfaced 5y ago

Residency programs are straight up exploitive and the crazy hours they work young doctors is dangerous. Pilots have mandatory crew rest. Truck drivers have mandatory rest. Doctors need mandatory rest too. Any job that involves real risk to life should have rest procedures. * Each duty period must begin with at least 10 hours off-duty. * Drivers may work no more than 60 hours on-duty over seven consecutive days or 70 hours over eight days.... * Drivers may be on duty for up to 14 hours following 10 hours off duty, but they are limited to 11 hours of driving time.