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“Bottom of the barrel devs in India” !== “bottom of the barrel Indian devs” Way to move the goal posts. Do I need to explain this? You’ve contextualized the bu

“Bottom of the barrel devs in India” !== “bottom of the barrel Indian devs” Way to move the goal posts. Do I need to explain this? You’ve contextualized the bucket in your new statement. Why do you think that efficiency difference exists in the first place? Maybe because Indian/Asian developers are not valued as much as other parts of the world. Almost as if people treat and talk about them like the bottom of the barrel… It’s a cycle that you continue to enforce by using that terminology.

Jensson 5y ago
- throwaway413 5y ago
  Where did I assume bad intention? I explicitly said mistakes happen, chalking it up to accidental wording. Two comments up. [1] And yes, I went very far out of my way to comment on the website I visit multiple times a day. You can continue doing your word gymnastics. Again, “devs stationed in India” !== “Indian devs”. Yes, words are ambiguous, which is why it is important we try to get them right! [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29957642 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29957642
  - Jensson 5y ago
    You are right he could have been more clear, but the backlash here is unwarranted since there was no way that comment was racist. Instead they should just have pointed out that he could have phrased the comment better, but assuming he is racist just because he phrased it poorly like many others here do is just toxic. It is very clear what he meant if you think a bit.
    - throwaway413 5y ago
      - Jensson 5y ago
        throwaway413 5y ago
        “If he said "If you hire bottom of the barrel American developers" then nobody would have said a thing.” Because there is no existing, racist, “bottom of the barrel” stereotype around American devs.
        Jensson 5y ago
        throwaway413 5y ago
        Ah, here we go. Have a good Sunday mate.
        dang 5y ago
        Would you please stop perpetutating this flamewar? You've made your point with a dozen comments in this thread alone. That's quite enough—this is not a place for repeating the same arguments over and over, which only feeds them. "Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead." a.k.a. please don't feed the trolls https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        dang 5y ago
        Would you please stop perpetutating this flamewar? You've made your point with 16 comments in this thread alone. That's quite enough—this is not a place for repeating the same arguments over and over, which only feeds them. "Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead." a.k.a. please don't feed the trolls https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        renewiltord 5y ago
geodel 5y ago
> Maybe because Indian/Asian developers are not valued as much as other parts of the world. Maybe Indian/Asian developer not sell their services at rates they consider cheap. It's a cycle that will continue if they keep selling their labor at low price.
- throwaway413 5y ago
  You’re right - I hear other less fortunate parts of the world are ready for their turn to get overworked and underpaid. Not like it has to do with the fact they hold the worlds largest populations or anything. Nah, you’re right. Their boards should tell them to raise prices and reject all else. Who cares if the kids don’t eat?
  - geodel 5y ago
    Then maybe it's you who need to get down from high horse and realize people do not live beyond space and time. And people just can't choose the best things at any place and any time. > Who cares if the kids don’t eat? Ah, I thought kids in poor countries could just eat virtues provided free of cost from otherwise no-good virtue signalers.

Jensson 5y ago

throwaway413 5y ago
Where did I assume bad intention? I explicitly said mistakes happen, chalking it up to accidental wording. Two comments up. [1] And yes, I went very far out of my way to comment on the website I visit multiple times a day. You can continue doing your word gymnastics. Again, “devs stationed in India” !== “Indian devs”. Yes, words are ambiguous, which is why it is important we try to get them right! [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29957642 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29957642
- Jensson 5y ago
  You are right he could have been more clear, but the backlash here is unwarranted since there was no way that comment was racist. Instead they should just have pointed out that he could have phrased the comment better, but assuming he is racist just because he phrased it poorly like many others here do is just toxic. It is very clear what he meant if you think a bit.
  - throwaway413 5y ago
    - Jensson 5y ago
      - throwaway413 5y ago
        “If he said "If you hire bottom of the barrel American developers" then nobody would have said a thing.” Because there is no existing, racist, “bottom of the barrel” stereotype around American devs.
        Jensson 5y ago
        throwaway413 5y ago
        Ah, here we go. Have a good Sunday mate.
        dang 5y ago
        Would you please stop perpetutating this flamewar? You've made your point with a dozen comments in this thread alone. That's quite enough—this is not a place for repeating the same arguments over and over, which only feeds them. "Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead." a.k.a. please don't feed the trolls https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        dang 5y ago
        Would you please stop perpetutating this flamewar? You've made your point with 16 comments in this thread alone. That's quite enough—this is not a place for repeating the same arguments over and over, which only feeds them. "Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead." a.k.a. please don't feed the trolls https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - renewiltord 5y ago

geodel 5y ago

> Maybe because Indian/Asian developers are not valued as much as other parts of the world. Maybe Indian/Asian developer not sell their services at rates they consider cheap. It's a cycle that will continue if they keep selling their labor at low price.

throwaway413 5y ago
You’re right - I hear other less fortunate parts of the world are ready for their turn to get overworked and underpaid. Not like it has to do with the fact they hold the worlds largest populations or anything. Nah, you’re right. Their boards should tell them to raise prices and reject all else. Who cares if the kids don’t eat?
- geodel 5y ago
  Then maybe it's you who need to get down from high horse and realize people do not live beyond space and time. And people just can't choose the best things at any place and any time. > Who cares if the kids don’t eat? Ah, I thought kids in poor countries could just eat virtues provided free of cost from otherwise no-good virtue signalers.