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Here in the US there is no upside to having proof of infection. It doesn't relieve you of needing vaccination or false tests in any situation. Edit: not false

Here in the US there is no upside to having proof of infection. It doesn't relieve you of needing vaccination or false tests in any situation. Edit: not false tests; true negative tests.

sschueller 5y ago
That doesn't make much sense when looking at hospital data. The previously infected have the lowest hospital administrations vs even the vaccinated. If you are double vaxed and get infected it make zero sense to also get a booster unless you have an immune system issue.
- taeric 5y ago
  It makes sense to not make getting it an incentive. They do well, if they survive. But they also have much larger risk of bad outcomes.
- kleiba 5y ago
  That view is not supported by all vaccination researchers. The argument against that line of thought is that your immune response to, say, omicron is very specific toward that variant. Consequently, if you catch omicron, that does not mean you're automatically protected against other variants.
  - peteradio 5y ago
    How likely is that to pan out, viruses of the common cold gives cross reactive immunity to sars-cov-2?
- pelasaco 5y ago
  I just got the booster, because it makes the life easier. For example: To go to fitness studio or restaurants. Either you are double vaxed + 24 hours test or you are double vaxed + boosted, then you don't need a test. So I boosted. 3 shots biontech/pfizer. Now I'm positive. If I wanted, I could still go to fitness studio and restaurant, even being positive, which really doesn't make sense to me.
  - CountGeek 5y ago
    Firstly you have succumbed to coercion by getting vaccinated to resuming your normal previous life activities. After 6 months you'll need another booster to continue having a valid pass. It's a never-ending cycle now. Secondly you have realised first hand that vaccines passes give a false of sense of security.
    - bsder 5y ago
      I got vaccinated because I don't want to play Russian roulette again. I got Covid Original Flavour(tm) before vaccines. I got "lucky"--high fever for a little over 2 weeks, swelling in places that I never knew could swell, and my stamina shot to shit. It's taken me a year to put myself back together. I went and got both vaccines and a booster, thanks. I have a relative by marriage who is an anti-vaxxer and is about the same age and about the same healthiness as I was. He got Covid. He played Russian Roulette and lost. He's currently on ECMO and would be DEAD if he hadn't lucked into getting the last ECMO bed for 400 miles. And, when all is said and done, it's going to take probably years of therapy for him to be even a shadow of his former self. And now we're starting to see that Covid increases the chances of Type-2 diabetes in children. So, the whole "Vaccines have more side-effects in children than Covid" (which was never actually true anyway) now has enough cases opposing it that we have medically valid data. You can persist in anti-vax as a shibboleth for whatever social group you're in. However, nothing factual was ever on your side, and the evidence continues to mount against you. The only "good" thing about Omicron is that it is so contagious that it will solve the anti-vax problem by itself. In 60 days, there will be no point in restrictions, anymore.
      - josephcsible 5y ago
        > I have a relative by marriage who is an anti-vaxxer and is about the same age and about the same healthiness as I was. He got Covid. He played Russian Roulette and lost. He's currently on ECMO and would be DEAD if he hadn't lucked into getting the last ECMO bed for 400 miles. And, when all is said and done, it's going to take probably years of therapy for him to be even a shadow of his former self. How many other people do you know who that didn't happen to? Remember, everyone who got it in 2020 was unvaccinated. And if we're to accept this anecdote, then we also need to accept all of the anecdotes about the vaccine harming people. > And now we're starting to see that Covid increases the chances of Type-2 diabetes in children. Really? Last time I heard about that, it was because someone forgot to control for weight or BMI, and doing so made the whole effect disappear.
- dave78 5y ago
  A problem in the US is that many people who are politically right-leaning have been talking up natural immunity, which means the left-leaning people in charge of the local, state, and federal government where mandates are in place are unwilling to acknowledge natural immunity because they want to "own the cons" or something like that.
  - sschueller 5y ago
    I think this is a mistake. By not acknowledging any natural immunity you give them tools to promote their anti Vax side because natural immunity does exist but maybe not for covid or depending on variant. Completely dismissing it is bad. We have antivaxers in Switzerland as well, (quite a few saddly). However they have to dig very deep in the conspiracy bucket to fight their stance. Natural immunity is not talked about by the antivaxers but this doesn't mean the state gives natural immunity the same level of protection as vaccinated. If you have natural immunity you only get a 6 month certificate vs a year if you are double vaxxed. After that you need to take a anitbody test to get a 3 month extension or the booster shot. 2G+ is only valid if you had covid less than 4 months ago or the last shot.
- xeromal 5y ago
  Any chance you remember where you read the reinfection data?
  - sschueller 5y ago
    On Page 27 and 28 of the daily reports [1] from the city of Zürich you can see the hospitalization and ICU rates. [1] https://www.zh.ch/content/dam/zhweb/bilder-dokumente/themen/gesundheit/corona/hauptseite/gd_zh_corona_lagebulletin.pdf https://www.zh.ch/content/dam/zhweb/bilder-dokumente/themen/...
    - xeromal 5y ago
      Thank you!!
pridkett 5y ago
It makes it easier for most cases of international travel. In a lot of contexts if you're vaccinated + boosted + recovered in the last 90 days, you can just travel and not worry about the result of the COVID test you need to return to the United States as long as you have a letter stating recovery.
- wintermutestwin 5y ago
  Not in my experience. Despite being fully vaxxed, I had to get tested every time I entered a country including coming back to the US. A recent two leg EU trip required a total of 6 tests - each of them with complex timing requirements and the total cost was ~$500.
- pelasaco 5y ago
  In Europe if you are double vaccinated + boosted, you don't need a test to travel by plane.
  - herbst 5y ago
    It depends on the country. Maybe you mean EU?
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Here in the US there is no upside to having proof of infection. It doesn't relieve you of needing vaccination or false tests in any situation. Edit: not false tests; true negative tests.

sschueller 5y ago

That doesn't make much sense when looking at hospital data. The previously infected have the lowest hospital administrations vs even the vaccinated. If you are double vaxed and get infected it make zero sense to also get a booster unless you have an immune system issue.

taeric 5y ago
It makes sense to not make getting it an incentive. They do well, if they survive. But they also have much larger risk of bad outcomes.
kleiba 5y ago
That view is not supported by all vaccination researchers. The argument against that line of thought is that your immune response to, say, omicron is very specific toward that variant. Consequently, if you catch omicron, that does not mean you're automatically protected against other variants.
- peteradio 5y ago
  How likely is that to pan out, viruses of the common cold gives cross reactive immunity to sars-cov-2?
pelasaco 5y ago
I just got the booster, because it makes the life easier. For example: To go to fitness studio or restaurants. Either you are double vaxed + 24 hours test or you are double vaxed + boosted, then you don't need a test. So I boosted. 3 shots biontech/pfizer. Now I'm positive. If I wanted, I could still go to fitness studio and restaurant, even being positive, which really doesn't make sense to me.
- CountGeek 5y ago
  Firstly you have succumbed to coercion by getting vaccinated to resuming your normal previous life activities. After 6 months you'll need another booster to continue having a valid pass. It's a never-ending cycle now. Secondly you have realised first hand that vaccines passes give a false of sense of security.
  - bsder 5y ago
    I got vaccinated because I don't want to play Russian roulette again. I got Covid Original Flavour(tm) before vaccines. I got "lucky"--high fever for a little over 2 weeks, swelling in places that I never knew could swell, and my stamina shot to shit. It's taken me a year to put myself back together. I went and got both vaccines and a booster, thanks. I have a relative by marriage who is an anti-vaxxer and is about the same age and about the same healthiness as I was. He got Covid. He played Russian Roulette and lost. He's currently on ECMO and would be DEAD if he hadn't lucked into getting the last ECMO bed for 400 miles. And, when all is said and done, it's going to take probably years of therapy for him to be even a shadow of his former self. And now we're starting to see that Covid increases the chances of Type-2 diabetes in children. So, the whole "Vaccines have more side-effects in children than Covid" (which was never actually true anyway) now has enough cases opposing it that we have medically valid data. You can persist in anti-vax as a shibboleth for whatever social group you're in. However, nothing factual was ever on your side, and the evidence continues to mount against you. The only "good" thing about Omicron is that it is so contagious that it will solve the anti-vax problem by itself. In 60 days, there will be no point in restrictions, anymore.
    - josephcsible 5y ago
      > I have a relative by marriage who is an anti-vaxxer and is about the same age and about the same healthiness as I was. He got Covid. He played Russian Roulette and lost. He's currently on ECMO and would be DEAD if he hadn't lucked into getting the last ECMO bed for 400 miles. And, when all is said and done, it's going to take probably years of therapy for him to be even a shadow of his former self. How many other people do you know who that didn't happen to? Remember, everyone who got it in 2020 was unvaccinated. And if we're to accept this anecdote, then we also need to accept all of the anecdotes about the vaccine harming people. > And now we're starting to see that Covid increases the chances of Type-2 diabetes in children. Really? Last time I heard about that, it was because someone forgot to control for weight or BMI, and doing so made the whole effect disappear.
dave78 5y ago
A problem in the US is that many people who are politically right-leaning have been talking up natural immunity, which means the left-leaning people in charge of the local, state, and federal government where mandates are in place are unwilling to acknowledge natural immunity because they want to "own the cons" or something like that.
- sschueller 5y ago
  I think this is a mistake. By not acknowledging any natural immunity you give them tools to promote their anti Vax side because natural immunity does exist but maybe not for covid or depending on variant. Completely dismissing it is bad. We have antivaxers in Switzerland as well, (quite a few saddly). However they have to dig very deep in the conspiracy bucket to fight their stance. Natural immunity is not talked about by the antivaxers but this doesn't mean the state gives natural immunity the same level of protection as vaccinated. If you have natural immunity you only get a 6 month certificate vs a year if you are double vaxxed. After that you need to take a anitbody test to get a 3 month extension or the booster shot. 2G+ is only valid if you had covid less than 4 months ago or the last shot.
xeromal 5y ago
Any chance you remember where you read the reinfection data?
- sschueller 5y ago
  On Page 27 and 28 of the daily reports [1] from the city of Zürich you can see the hospitalization and ICU rates. [1] https://www.zh.ch/content/dam/zhweb/bilder-dokumente/themen/gesundheit/corona/hauptseite/gd_zh_corona_lagebulletin.pdf https://www.zh.ch/content/dam/zhweb/bilder-dokumente/themen/...
  - xeromal 5y ago
    Thank you!!

pridkett 5y ago

It makes it easier for most cases of international travel. In a lot of contexts if you're vaccinated + boosted + recovered in the last 90 days, you can just travel and not worry about the result of the COVID test you need to return to the United States as long as you have a letter stating recovery.

wintermutestwin 5y ago
Not in my experience. Despite being fully vaxxed, I had to get tested every time I entered a country including coming back to the US. A recent two leg EU trip required a total of 6 tests - each of them with complex timing requirements and the total cost was ~$500.
pelasaco 5y ago
In Europe if you are double vaccinated + boosted, you don't need a test to travel by plane.
- herbst 5y ago
  It depends on the country. Maybe you mean EU?

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