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Ask HN: Should I accept the free Windows 11 upgrade?

• aero-glide2 5y ago
  Seems snappier, no downsides so far.
• thrower123 5y ago
  I wouldn't try it until there is an LTSC build. That's when you know a Windows release is actually done.
  • senectus1 5y ago
    this is actually probably a good guideline. Doesn't mean you need to use the LTSC release. but once they have a LTSC release they are generally ready for skin on the table time.
• DiabloD3 5y ago
  A few notes: Windows 11 is Windows 10 with exactly two changes; Windows 10 is not Windows 8 with several changes, but still in the same branch/evolution in the same NT family. The first change is: the Sun Valley theme update, which finally gives all the WinForms/WPF/UWP/WinUI apps ("Metro" or "Modern" style) apps a real theme instead of bad full-white and full-black themes that destroy any sense of visual ergonomics Windows had. Microsoft was afraid people would be confused and need to be retrained in corporate environments (fun fact: this happened when Vista became 7), so they increased the major version. The second change is: VBS (Virtualization Based Security) is now enabled by default and the installer won't let you install without it working. This means UEFI must be enabled, legacy boot must be disabled, secureboot via TPM must be enabled, and due to the previous one, your TPM must be enabled and new enough, else you cannot use Windows 11 (unless you do an underdocumented hack to the installer; I did this on my Ivy Bridge laptop, I know what I'm doing and I accept the risk). All Skylake family CPUs and all Zen family CPUs have a firwmare TPM that meets requirements; first generation Skylake and Zen 1 have security vulnerabilities that blacklist them from default Windows 11 installations (or, roughly, to run Windows 11, you need a CPU made in the past ~5 years). Again, because hardware requirements changed (even though "sold with Windows 10" required such features exist in the first place), major version changed. The second change is not a huge issue either, as all sold-with/for-Windows-10 machines are required to have these features; the flaw is, many mobos default to being broke out of the box, as in, TPM is not enabled, secureboot isn't turned on, and hypervisor CPU features are not enabled: these are technically defective mobos whose fix is to just turn the features on. Some mobos have gotten Windows 11 BIOS updates that just change their defaults and turn it on; 99.9% of users have no clue what I just wrote or what any of it means... and a BIOS update won't fix this because they, again, have no clue what any of this means. Now, one last thing, the semi-kicker: with the first change, they finally jettisoned the old taskbar: it predates the original Metro UI, and is very finnicky to work with as it has a lot of custom behavior. The new one is written entirely in normal XAML as a completely normal and conventional app. Why is this a semi-kicker? If you use small taskbar and/or task grouping disabled, as you're a competent and knowledgeable Windows user, you need to use Explorer Patcher to re-enable both of those features. Microsoft is currently denying the lack of those features are a bug, and do not understand that their decision has already been vetoed by the community and some of their largest enterprise customers. Their reasoning is that both Apple and Google poison kids in education environments by putting Macs and Chromebooks in school and making that their first exposure to computing, so instead of fighting this, they default to an identically functioning dock-esque giant centered task-grouping taskbar instead of, you know, the one you expect from a product named Windows. So yeah, go accept the upgrade, then install Explorer Patcher to fix the backwards taskbar issues.
  • cecilpl2 5y ago
    Does Explorer Patcher also allow taskbar on the side of the screen, or is it permanently stuck on the bottom?
    • DiabloD3 5y ago
      Yes. Also, the guy just added an Office key killer on my request (thanks valinet!), so we get Ctrl-Alt-Shift-Win back (this effects all Win10/11 since May 2019 update). So many things that Windows gets wrong lives in Explorer's shell experience code.
• dzdt 5y ago
  Possible points I know of: the desktop has a little-used Bluray drive. There is discussion of Bluray functionality being removed. Also I've tried etherium mining on the desktpp gpu, which uses memory parameter overrides and overclocking. I worry that support could change? I do some development, CUDA, python, mingw64 C++ stack. Possible WSL. Does WSL change/improve in Windows 11?
  • scottlilly 5y ago
    On my Windows 11 desktop, with an RTX 2060 Super, I'm able to use MSI Afterburner to adjust values and improve performance for Ehtereum mining.
• executive 5y ago
  had to downgrade, still many bugs with WSL.
  • dzdt 5y ago
    Any details? I am interested in WSL.
    • executive 5y ago
      - Causes unrecoverable system hang issue on AMD laptop - wsl.exe process crashing several times a day (2 AMD desktops & AMD laptop) - many other AMD/Win 11 related issues reported on WSL GitHub
  • k8sToGo 5y ago
    It would have been enough if you had just removed the store verison of WSL.
• sbarre 5y ago
  I also have 2 Win 10 machines at home, and my current plan is to wait until at least the fall of 2022 before updating to Win 11, if not longer. Maybe something will come along and change my mind, but at the moment I've seen no compelling reason to update, and I value stability over shiny latest. The last major super annoying bug of Windows 10 (windows moving around on a multi-monitor setup when coming back from sleep or monitors off) was fixed with the 21H2 update, so I'm good. Other than "free offer", do you have a specific reason to want Windows 11?
  • tata71 5y ago
    The Control Panel is finally not a tire fire, but this seems like bait.
    • sbarre 5y ago
      Hah that would be a nice change, Win 10's control panel is indeed really bad! I never really stopped to think about it, now I can't unsee it.. thanks! :-P
• Zachsa999 5y ago
  I upgraded 3 days ago, no regrets. Actually, I did a fresh install, and saved the iso on a bootable USB stick just in case it sucked and I had to downgrade.
  • ChuckNorris89 5y ago
    The cool part, which nobody seem to talk about, is if you do a fresh install off an USB drive burned with the official ISO from Microsoft, rather than an upgrade, then it automatically bypasses any CPU and TPM restrictions that normally pop-up and prevent you from upgrading if you try to upgrade and your system doesn't meet those HW limitations. So I successfully installed Win11 on a system running an ~7 year old intel CPU with no issues, which is officially not supported. So I feel the HW restrictions are just a theater for the users whoa are less tech savvy. I whish this "workaround" would be better known. Another funny thing was, I managed to activate the Professional version successfully with some old, tried and tested, pirate CD-key from the Windows 7 days, originally meant for the MSDNAA program, that's everywhere on the internet if you Google/Bing for it. Makes me think that Microsoft no longer cares if you pirate Windows, and the whole license thing is just a theater, as they probably monetize you either way through telemetry and the ads they show you plus, the more windows users there are, legitimate or not, the stronger their ecosystem lock-in becomes so they win either way. So the way I see it, if you're willing to ignore the legality of breaching the EULA, then Windows 11 is basically "free" for private use, with some huge asterixis. I still wish to switch to Linux in the long run, since I hate the UX of Windows 11 and the privacy implications, but unlike desktops, on the laptop Linux is just not at the same level of polish and feature parity as Windows for me yet, with many things I care about and work out of the box in Windows 11, being a bunch of hack/addons built by the community on Linux, that are still work in progress and and need to apply manually and update yourself. No bueno. I don't have time for this.
    • llimos 5y ago
      It's true that they don't care about pirating any more, but I think it's more because the vast majority of Windows revenue comes from OEM's. Certainly getting more users on the latest version is more important to them. Unactivated Windows 10 shows a barely-perceptible 'Activate Windows' overlay in the bottom corner, and doesn't let you change the wallpaper. Big whoop.
• thomasdziedzic 5y ago
  I don't see any major pros or cons in upgrading to Windows 11 and I'm happy with Windows 10 Pro, so I'm going to hold off until I see something compelling or when October 14, 2025 is around the corner, when official support for Windows 10 is supposed to end.
  • tambre 5y ago
    > when October 14, 2025 is around the corner, when official support for Windows 10 is supposed to end. That's the Enterprise LTSC EOL for 1507. Seems unlikely you're running that unless you're a big enterprise? Regular GAC 21H2 will last you only until June 13, 2023.
    • thomasdziedzic 5y ago
      > Regular GAC 21H2 will last you only until June 13, 2023. I got that date from the retirement date for Windows 10 Home and Pro at https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-10-home-and-pro https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-... So maybe 21H2 will be supported until Jun 13, 2023 but there will be newer feature updates for Windows 10 which will be supported until October 14th, 2025.
      • tambre 5y ago
        Wasn't aware, that's great. I'd assumed 21H2 would be the last and had already begun shifting new installs to Win 11.
• gandalfian 5y ago
  I'd give it year and let the dust settle first.
• dzdt 5y ago
  Of I forgot my middle-schooler's cheepo Win10 laptop. There there may also be questions of minimum specs. Does anything change with Microsoft family account features?
• rPlayer6554 5y ago
  The reason I won't upgrade is there doesn't seem to be much benefit. I don't use the gaming stuff and while the UI seems nice, Windows 10 works fine as well. I'd also be forced into logging in with an MS account which I'm not hot on.
  • detaro 5y ago
    AFAIK you can still use Windows 11 without an MS account. Similar to current new installs of Win10 it really wants you to push to using one, but doesn't entirely enforce it.
    • rPlayer6554 5y ago
      Source? That's definitely not what I've heard. Even in windows 10 you need a silly workaround. If you log into wifi when setting up you are forced to login. I had to reinstall and refuse to login to wifi. They patched that workaround out in windows 11 iirc.
• supportlocal4h 5y ago
  I've never understood the mentality of staying on an old release of Windows. If you use Windows, you should stay current. If you are not willing to stay current, you should move to something else that is responsibly maintained. To stay still is to accept ever increasing vulnerability. That is bad for you and bad for everyone you touch (which probably means everyone, period).
  • ramoz 5y ago
    You can use a bit more logic than that.
  • Mysterise 5y ago
    History has shown that newer releases don't equate to direct upgrades.
  • gordaco 5y ago
    I can't talk about others, but for me, the number one reason is the UI. If I could be 100% sure that updating to a newer version would keep my UI just the way I know it, and that no workflow is going to be broken, I would probably update as soon as possible. I still do that with a lot of other software. On the contrary, Windows is very fond of changing everything whenever they can, and it becomes tiresome fast. For example, several versions ago (it started with Vista, I think), someone decided that updating the file association info and the commands associated with each file type could no longer be accessed from the file explorer. Instead, you need to access the registry. Cue the myriad of different small tools, each with a slightly different and possibly incomplete behaviour. It's very telling that extensions like OpenShell and 7+ Taskbar Tweaker are so common. Also, I'm still salty at the removal of the Windows Classic theme and of the detailed. I use WindowBlinds as a patch of sorts, but there is still a lot of customisation missing. Customisation that used to be available in older Windows.
    • supportlocal4h 5y ago
      Sticking with Windows95 because you like the UI is a bad move. Ditto XP, 7, 8. 10 is still maintained, so it's a different case for now. But W10 users should be developing a migration plan -- either to 11 or away from Windows.
• mwattsun 5y ago
  I've been on 11 now for a few months as part of the preview program. I'm happy with it. I like the Windows 11 interface because it's cleaner and nicer looking. I built Serenity OS in WSL2 with Ubuntu installed yesterday and it launched in QEMU without problem. I have Windows 10 running in a VMWare VM if I need it for some reason. That said, I can't really think of a reason a 10 user would upgrade. It's my impression that it's primarily for new machines. On the other hand, Microsoft may starting building improvements to 11 that won't make it to 10, which is why I upgraded.
• ru552 5y ago
  The thing holding me back from the win11 upgrade is turning on my TPM. Not a fan.
  • SomeHacker44 5y ago
    I got a discrete TPM for my desktop. This way I can take it with me or move it to a new machine if I want.
    • ThePowerOfFuet 5y ago
      Which model?
      • SomeHacker44 5y ago
        https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01DQQLH74/ https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01DQQLH74/ "Asus TPM-M R2.0 14-1 Pin TPM Module"
  • ChuckNorris89 5y ago
    You can bypass the TPM and CPU restriction by doing a fresh install off a USB drive. It's basically a non issue at this point. The FUD around TPM is massively blown out of proportion, which is frightening considering the HN is supposed to be a tech savvy userbase driven by facts rather than FUD. TPM is basically a secure enclave for highly sensitive private keys, similar to what the T2 did on the Macs. It's much safer to have important private keys stored there than on disk and in system memory where they're in reach of basic exploits like Mimikatz or Javascript vulns coming from your browser.
    • kyriakos 5y ago
      If I am not mistaken if you follow that route your OS won't receive updates. At least thats what was been said, if thats no longer the case then its really good news for older PCs too.
      • 5y ago
• analog31 5y ago
  Out of curiosity, is it a new OS or a new shell?
• fuzzy2 5y ago
  I personally do not like the new shell for a multitude of reasons. Taskbar feature restrictions (I use labels and no grouping), I don’t like the new start menu, I don’t like the new menu look, …. I’m sure there were other things I forgot again. I grew up using Windows 3.1+. Only these days it’s looking less and less like Windows. I dread the day I’ll have to upgrade my parents’ devices. They will not be able to adapt. Still, there are reasons to upgrade: Stronger security (maybe), much-improved Settings app. Better WSL 2. Most new development will be for 11. I’m working at a Microsoft dev shop, so I’ll be forced to use it sooner or later anyway.
  • tata71 5y ago
    Classic Shell from Ninite.com, updated with an executable on their desktop called: YourName.exe/msi
• Shadonototra 5y ago
  No, stick to windows 10, windows11 doesn't add anything new, doesn't improve performance, adds more bloat to your base install https://www.techspot.com/article/2349-windows-11-performance/ https://www.techspot.com/article/2349-windows-11-performance... Seriously, need random people to make choice for you?
• satysin 5y ago
  Unless you need something that is new in Windows 11 I don't really see any point in upgrading while Windows 10 is still supported and so getting the same security updates. There are too many downgrades in terms of UX in Windows 11 to upgrade just because it is new.
• II2II 5y ago
  I tried Windows 11 on my Home based laptop about a month after release, bumped into a bunch of user interface glitches, and immediately reverted to Windows 10. The glitches were not show-stopping, but not confidence inspiring either. Given that I only boot into Windows for work, I have put the upgrade on indefinite hold. My advice: if you aren't doing anything critical, it's probably fine to upgrade sooner rather than later. It sounds like there are a few benefits to Windows 11. If you are doing anything critical, give it a year for the bugs to be ironed out.
• keskadale 5y ago
  switch to linux
  • fortyseven 5y ago
    Win11 and it's various disappointments is what finally pushed me to make the jump to Ubuntu. It's been a couple months now and there have been some educational challenges here and there, sure, but I'm finally quite happy. Most of my games even run. Good luck, Windows.
• snarfy 5y ago
  It's like going from Win7 to Win8. If you thought that was a good upgrade then you like Win11.
  • antisthenes 5y ago
    What if I'm still on Win7?
• cdrini 5y ago
  I'm holding off for now mainly cause I keep my taskbar on the left side of the screen instead of the bottom, and that's no longer possible in Windows 11. Not in the mood to change, and not in the mood to find a workaround. But I probably will eventually update.
  • sys_64738 5y ago
    I keep it on the right side and if I needed a reason to NOT upgrade, well, this is it.
  • PopAlongKid 5y ago
    My exact status too, left-side taskbar. I can't understand the point of removing this option (to use any of the four sides of the desktop). I use both single-screen and dual-screen set-ups, and can't see where that should matter either.
  • toss1 5y ago
    Same here, 'tho I find putting it at the top of my screen most useful. Utterly baffling that Microsoft would just casually remove this function - what possible gain is there to MS to remove this functionality that has been available for decades? Even if only 1% of us use it, that is still, of the 13 billion Win10 machines, that's 130 million. That is a serious question - why the h** would they do this? (of course there is also just the well-earned general suspicion about the stability and quality of any new MS product)
  • kyriakos 5y ago
    Same here, upgraded HTPC's but can't do the same for workstations because of task bar being stuck at the bottom. I believe is one of those things that may come later, feels like Microsoft was rushing it out of the door and left things they considered non-essential for later (e.g. drag and drop to taskbar was confirmed to be coming too)
  • Jowsey 5y ago
    The strangest part about this is that it can still be moved with a Registry edit. So the functionality's still there, Microsoft just removed the toggle button for it. Very odd
• Syonyk 5y ago
  I don't intend to ever run Win11 on personal hardware, based on several of the changes they made - though I barely run Windows 10. I don't believe any of my stuff "fully supports" Win11 anyway, despite being some reasonably recent CPUs (8000 series Intel and a little AMD NUC). Yes, I know about the USB install trick, no, I just don't care. The first major point of concern is the issue during late beta where the chunk of advertising JSON that was malformed took out Explorer entirely, rendering the system unusable. That speaks to how tightly Microsoft has integrated "things I consider worthless crap" (advertising) with the core OS. In my preferred model of computers, the OS is core, and nothing from the internet can render the core OS inoperative (short of actual OS updates being defective). Advertising updates definitely can't render the OS entirely non-usable. They got it fixed before too long, but that tight integration between "core OS" and "advertising delivery" is exceedingly concerning. Microsoft has also been steadily making "offline accounts" harder, and with Win11, has made offline accounts no longer an option for Win11 Home. You are now required to have an online Microsoft account in order to use your local computer (or pay up for the Pro version, because you're not being as profitable on the backend). My read of this, given the advertising tie-in, is that Microsoft has decided that the "behavioral surplus collection" benefits from having what's likely to be your common email tied to your account (and at least your IP address) exceed the small costs of annoying a few technical users - and are therefore almost certainly hoovering up more information about use than they were with Win10. Again, my model of computers is that the local login information, at least for personal computing, has no business being tied to whatever online accounts I care to use or not use, and my OS definitely shouldn't be actively reporting up what I use or not (yes, I know Win10 and MacOS are both doing this in some form or another, and I'm moving away from both of them). These two, combined, tell me that Win11 has diverged so far from what I consider an OS should be (serving me, not using my behavior as a raw material source for the OS company) that I'm just not willing to use it for personal use. I've been heading more completely down the Linux road lately, and will likely continue that, just because of how I think computers should function in relation to my goals. This does mean there are probably certain things I won't be able to do eventually in the context of gaming, though the Steam/Linux/Windows compatibility layers (Proton?) are getting better, from what I hear. But I've accepted that there will be things I can't do with computers if I use computers in the way I think they should behave, and I'm OK with that.
• dudeinhawaii 5y ago
  The good, the interface is cleaner in many areas including the settings, snip, and other built-in apps. Start menu is fine, better support for features that have been around forever (multiple desktops). Better support for WSL2. Better looking Explorer with more sensible menu options. Appears to have 100% compatibility with previous Windows versions. Better tiled window support with numerous snapping options, no need for third party tools for that (great on very large screens). The bad, power users thrown to the side in favor of reducing clutter in some areas. In particular, the Explorer right-click menu has been gutted. Now there's an annoying "show all options" step to get to common actions you may have installed such as "open in Notepad++". By default, the menu shows 5 options and a few context actions but is designed to avoid the massive (and perhaps confusing) menus users would have after installing 20+ apps. Perhaps this is "mixed" rather than bad but I find it annoying. The ugly, there's a small but noticeable latency in Explorer when navigating back and forth rapidly between drives/directories. A search for "windows 11 explorer slow" shows a common theme. It's not a constant, more like some sort of indexing hiccup that occurs from time to time when backing out of a folder or entering a new one. That performance bug may be resolved in a bit, most bugs reported on the bug tracker have gotten surprisingly quick response rates. I reported a critical bug in the snip tool that was resolved in an emergency patch a week later. There's probably other "good" items but as a Windows 10 power user/developer, this is what I noticed as part of the transition.
• sdoering 5y ago
  I didn't yet make the update and what I hear about it doesn't inspire confidence. We have 5 machines at home running win10 smoothly. Three max. 2 year old midline laptops, one desktop upgraded three years ago in quite good hardware and my work horse as well. Two of the machines tell me they are not equipped with hardware that supports win11. If MS believes I will replace totally fine hardware functioning and still really up to all I throw at it, because it wants me to update a OS they must be delusional. Why should I buy new stuff when all is good? I am way past tbe 'I need new shiny stuff each year'-phase of my life. So as long as my employer doesn't force me to switch I really would need to see good reasons to jump.
• Andrex 5y ago
  I opted to upgrade to Fedora instead. Honestly. I've been pretty happy. Whatever remaining faith I had in MS's stewardship of Windows was lost with 11. Which is a shame, because over the years I generally preferred them to Apple - I still have my first-gen Zune. But Windows 11, no thanks. I'm out.
• lousken 5y ago
  No - less customizability - worse performance (animations with many windows) or boot times - issues with SSDs, CPUs, network cards (already mostly ironed out but not fully) - lots of random glitches and bugs (though january update for windows 10 and server isn't much better) - even worse interface, filled with ads and junk [0] [1] - the top 10 requests are pretty much filled with bring X back from windows 10 [2] [0] https://youtu.be/3D1deDXwWgQ https://youtu.be/3D1deDXwWgQ [1] https://youtu.be/cRwdoo9kNTw https://youtu.be/cRwdoo9kNTw [2] https://www.neowin.net/news/here-are-the-top-10-changes-that-windows-11-needs-according-to-the-public/ https://www.neowin.net/news/here-are-the-top-10-changes-that...
• tinus_hn 5y ago
  If you can spare the time it might be worth it to upgrade and then immediately downgrade, so there more of a chance you get the free upgrade when you want it.
• me_me_mu_mu 5y ago
  This is just my opinion on how I have my setup. I have a gaming windows machine that’s used for just gaming. I don’t do any personal work on it. It has a 2tb drive that has just games on it. Microsoft can go ahead and ruin the OS for all I care, all I’m using it for is my entertainment. The moment it gets annoying I have no problem not gaming anymore if that’s what it comes to (already is considering I barely game anymore)
• alloai 5y ago
  Until now， I want to stuck with windows 1809 After trying 1903, 2004, and windows 11 Wanted to swtich to Ubuntu, but because I need to use VBA, so not an option
• MattPalmer1086 5y ago
  I used to upgrade to the latest versions of things as soon as possible. I was excited by new shiny things. I also got regularly burned by the new shiny things. These days I stick with what works, and only upgrade when I know I have a need for it. Much more boring, but I don't look to my OS for excitement. So to me, the fact you're asking the question tells me that you don't really have a need.
• fuzzfactor 5y ago
  Most people are not using anywhere near the entire amount of drive space on their Windows 10 C: volume. And it's so easy to shrink the C: volume while you are booted to W10, leaving over 64GB of unallocated space to format so you can do an additional clean install of W11 to the previously unused drive space, after booting to the W11 USB install media, without disturbing W10 in any way. The built-in Windows multi-boot menu accepts an additional entry for W11 alongside your present W10 boot entry, then the resulting dual boot menu will pop up every time you reboot so you have a choice of which partition to boot to, either W10 or W11. The most recently installed version of Windows will automatically become the default OS appearing on the bootmenu if you do not change which one you want to be default afterward. Whichever partition you choose to boot to will be autoenumerated as your C: volume at the time, with remaining "unhidden" volumes occupying other alphabetical designations. i.e. when you boot to W11 it will be your C: volume and your W10 partition will not be C: again until you reboot to W10. The built-in multiboot menu simply remains unseen when there is only a single boot entry, such as on a factory W10 PC. cons: -you basically update each OS separately -you back up each system separately -unless you make the desired adjustment to the OS's in a multiboot system, more than one correction for Daylight Savings Time may occur after that date arrives. Only the most frequently used OS should be the one to autoupdate the mainboard timeclock for DST Alternatively, without using the conventional Setup.exe to install W11 from the USB install media, you can place the W11 virgin fileset onto a formatted partition from an administrative command prompt using DISM.exe. i.e. in W10 after shrinking C: and formatting the unused space as new NTFS volume "T:", you plug in the W11 setup USB stick, cancel the setup/upgrade option then use W10 CMD line to access the files on the USB volume and bring in the W11 fileset to your target partition. Assuming your W11 USB drive is "U:" and your target NTFS volume is "T:", first use DISM to find out which versions of Windows 11 are available within the install.wim file: DISM.exe /get-imageinfo u:\sources\install.wim Most of the time the "pro" version of Windows will be the sixth choice, which is identified as Index 6. Apply W11 pro fileset to target volume "T:": DISM.exe /apply-image u:\sources\install.wim index:6 /applydir:t:\ -w11 can actually be applied to volumes smaller than 64GB this way also Without employing the consumer W11 Setup.exe routine, you would then need to manually add a W11 bootentry (pointing to your new Windows 11 fileset) into the existing (hidden) EFI folder that you have been using for W10 booting all along: bcdboot t:\windows This manual deployment approach can also be accomplished similarly from the CMD prompt when booted to the W11 install media itself, which can be helpful when your target partition is not empty, as Trusted Installer you will have fewer permission problems than a W10 Administrator.
• senectus1 5y ago
  It seems fine on my home desktop/gaming machine. its a fking nightmare on my work laptop. So buggy, needs to be rebooted daily. It really doesn't like Sleep or having to change between multiple screen setups. Patches for Win11 seem to be fairly slow in coming compared to Win10. but then it is early day I guess.
• Grismar 5y ago
  On an individual level I just don't see the point right now. It's not that it's particularly bad, it's just that it doesn't fix anything important about 10, and there is nothing I could do on 11 that 10 won't let me. From a point of view of risk, changing is almost certainly worse, between fixing no major issues and introducing a lot of change all the same. From a group perspective, I imagine that slow adoption will put more pressure on Microsoft to fix what people are disliking about it, so politically I think not upgrading right now is better. So that is a very mild "probably not" from me.