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It is draconian if you cannot show that the vaccines are working against transmission. You need to vaccinate about 80-120 people to prevent one more covid case

by ls15 5y ago

It is draconian if you cannot show that the vaccines are working against transmission. You need to vaccinate about 80-120 people to prevent one more covid case and that is based on old data[0], pre-Delta and pre-Omicron. Now the efficacy is worse. It is draconian if you cannot show that the rules are not arbitrary. There was another player at the court who was playing while having covid symptoms[1], but this one was fine, because he was playing by the rules. [0] https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(21)00069-0/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5... [1] https://www.eurosport.com/tennis/australian-open/2022/bernard-tomic-tests-positive-for-covid-two-days-after-claiming-mid-match-that-he-was-suffering-from-_sto8707090/story.shtml https://www.eurosport.com/tennis/australian-open/2022/bernar...

sofixa 5y ago
Transmission isn't the only thing to optimise for - hospitalisations, which were and remain the main limit to how much Covid we can handle, are significantly lowered by vaccination. That's a giant win whatever way you look at it.
- ls15 5y ago
  > optimise for - hospitalisations, which were and remain the main limit to how much Covid we can handle, are significantly lowered by vaccination. There are other things that lower that risk significantly, such as having recovered from covid previously, having no co-morbidities, healthy diet, being young, having a sufficient vitamin D level and many more. Why does everyone need to get the same medical treatment? Not all people are the same. The risk to get myocarditis from the mRNA vaccine is higher than getting it from covid for males under 40. This is a large share of a population.
  - sofixa 5y ago
    > The risk to get myocarditis from the mRNA vaccine is higher than getting it from covid for males under 40 Citation required. That's been debunked IIRC. And even if it were true, myocarditis isn't the only thing a male under 40 can get as a negative effect from Covid.
    - ls15 5y ago
      > Citation required. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29697780 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29697780 I am not aware of any debunking yet. > myocarditis isn't the only thing a male under 40 can get as a negative effect from Covid. This is true, and the vaccine has some potential to mitigate that, but there are other factors that need to be considered too, such as trying to keep laws undraconian.

by ls15 5y ago

sofixa 5y ago

Transmission isn't the only thing to optimise for - hospitalisations, which were and remain the main limit to how much Covid we can handle, are significantly lowered by vaccination. That's a giant win whatever way you look at it.

ls15 5y ago
> optimise for - hospitalisations, which were and remain the main limit to how much Covid we can handle, are significantly lowered by vaccination. There are other things that lower that risk significantly, such as having recovered from covid previously, having no co-morbidities, healthy diet, being young, having a sufficient vitamin D level and many more. Why does everyone need to get the same medical treatment? Not all people are the same. The risk to get myocarditis from the mRNA vaccine is higher than getting it from covid for males under 40. This is a large share of a population.
- sofixa 5y ago
  > The risk to get myocarditis from the mRNA vaccine is higher than getting it from covid for males under 40 Citation required. That's been debunked IIRC. And even if it were true, myocarditis isn't the only thing a male under 40 can get as a negative effect from Covid.
  - ls15 5y ago
    > Citation required. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29697780 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29697780 I am not aware of any debunking yet. > myocarditis isn't the only thing a male under 40 can get as a negative effect from Covid. This is true, and the vaccine has some potential to mitigate that, but there are other factors that need to be considered too, such as trying to keep laws undraconian.