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So are giant TVs, PC gaming rigs, ACs, large cars, overconsumption of meat, etc. None can be justified given climate change, but everyone wants to keep it. The

by fleddr 5y ago

So are giant TVs, PC gaming rigs, ACs, large cars, overconsumption of meat, etc. None can be justified given climate change, but everyone wants to keep it. The truth is that nobody cares about energy usage. It has exploded in the last decades whilst fully knowing about the problem. People only care about somebody else's energy usage and call for the banning of things they don't use or care about.

lucb1e 5y ago
> People only care about somebody else's energy usage and call for the banning of things they don't use or care about. That's your bubble, not mine. This is not my experience at all.
FabHK 5y ago
> nobody cares about energy usage. It has exploded in the last decades That's not quite right. In the West, energy usage per capita has risen until the 1970's or 80's, then stayed flat or fallen. (Of course, it's continued to rise in Asia, but fairly linearly; I wouldn't call it an explosion.) https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/per-capita-energy-use?tab=chart&country=SWE~CHN~USA~DEU https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/per-capita-energy-use?tab... https://ourfiniteworld.com/2012/03/12/world-energy-consumption-since-1820-in-charts/ https://ourfiniteworld.com/2012/03/12/world-energy-consumpti...
- ttty 5y ago
- lucb1e 5y ago
  I was thinking of bringing up the same point, but one could argue that it's for own gain to pay less on the energy bill. It can be said much more broadly that people are changing behavior. Not everyone for sure, but there are few people left that will not claim to be making different personal choices for environmental reasons. I think a lot of them are worth very little and there are definitely hypocrites that take multiple flights per year and compensate that by plugging out phone chargers while not in use, but it's still something that's apparently on their mind. People do do things, and some people do significant things. If GP says that they only see people complaining about others without doing anything themselves, that must be a quite narrow bubble (from my point of view, at least). Edit: maybe a less debatable example is meat replacement products in supermarkets popping up. It's not as if we have more compassion with animals today than ten years ago, what changed is that more people are aware of the climate impact of meat. If nobody was willing to do anything, who's financing the production and buys the shelf space? The products don't even hold that long before spoiling, so they must be sold nearly as fast as meat.
  - toraway1234 5y ago

by fleddr 5y ago

lucb1e 5y ago

> People only care about somebody else's energy usage and call for the banning of things they don't use or care about. That's your bubble, not mine. This is not my experience at all.

FabHK 5y ago

> nobody cares about energy usage. It has exploded in the last decades That's not quite right. In the West, energy usage per capita has risen until the 1970's or 80's, then stayed flat or fallen. (Of course, it's continued to rise in Asia, but fairly linearly; I wouldn't call it an explosion.) https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/per-capita-energy-use?tab=chart&country=SWE~CHN~USA~DEU https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/per-capita-energy-use?tab... https://ourfiniteworld.com/2012/03/12/world-energy-consumption-since-1820-in-charts/ https://ourfiniteworld.com/2012/03/12/world-energy-consumpti...

ttty 5y ago
lucb1e 5y ago
I was thinking of bringing up the same point, but one could argue that it's for own gain to pay less on the energy bill. It can be said much more broadly that people are changing behavior. Not everyone for sure, but there are few people left that will not claim to be making different personal choices for environmental reasons. I think a lot of them are worth very little and there are definitely hypocrites that take multiple flights per year and compensate that by plugging out phone chargers while not in use, but it's still something that's apparently on their mind. People do do things, and some people do significant things. If GP says that they only see people complaining about others without doing anything themselves, that must be a quite narrow bubble (from my point of view, at least). Edit: maybe a less debatable example is meat replacement products in supermarkets popping up. It's not as if we have more compassion with animals today than ten years ago, what changed is that more people are aware of the climate impact of meat. If nobody was willing to do anything, who's financing the production and buys the shelf space? The products don't even hold that long before spoiling, so they must be sold nearly as fast as meat.
- toraway1234 5y ago