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I have issues with the BBC - especially its partisan news reporting on the current government and its performance during the Scottish independence referendum, b

I have issues with the BBC - especially its partisan news reporting on the current government and its performance during the Scottish independence referendum, but would still like it to exist I find BBC drama is consistently of a high quality - and unlike the paid services i can watch 6 episodes and its pretty much ended. Everything on netflix/prime is like 10 seasons of 20 episodes Sad times - but im sure Rupert Murdoch will be happy

iso1210 5y ago
> especially its partisan news reporting on the current government Is that pro-government or anti-government in your view?
- fiftyacorn 5y ago
  They are pro-government, pro-union - but the point is BBC news should be non-partisan
  - Proven 5y ago
  - midasuni 5y ago
    The government doesn’t appear to have noticed this bias
  - Freskis 5y ago
    I would say most UK people consider the BBC to be impartial and neutral, except perhaps for people with more extreme political opinions.
    - pessimizer 5y ago
      > except perhaps for people with more extreme political opinions. Like the people who supported Corbyn, or Scottish independence? You're characterizing people who were a few points from winning as extremists.
      - iso1210 5y ago
        Don't fall for the mistake that everyone voting for X is as polarised or 'extreme' as the activists campaigning for X.
    - iso1210 5y ago
      BBC is certainly the most trusted news outlet https://yougov.co.uk/topics/media/articles-reports/2020/04/29/no-trust-media-has-not-collapsed-because-coronavir https://yougov.co.uk/topics/media/articles-reports/2020/04/2... Although it's only about half
- thinkingemote 5y ago
  Some comedian said that the left think the BBC is right wing and the right think the BBC is left wing and that means it's doing the right thing.
- dfawcus 5y ago
  Generally pro government, as in wanting more of it, but anti government of the day.
dazc 5y ago
ITV also make short drama series which are often better, in my opinion, and manage to do this without threatening to send people to jail for not contributing financially. You can subscribe for £3.99 to have an almost ad-free experience too. I doubt the BBC could compete at this level as a subscription only service in its current state though? Worth noting also, the prevelance of BBC ads for its own content which have become something of an irritant over the past few years.
- fiftyacorn 5y ago
  Yeah i signed up to britbox on the £10 for 3 month deal - its not bad with a mix of BBC, ITV and Channel 4. Lots of content you cant get elsewhere The nostalgic viewing makes it easy to watch
- nerdawson 5y ago
  BBC and ITV shared coverage of the Euros last year and their streaming offerings couldn’t have been more different. The BBC were airing matches in 4K HDR and their service ran without a hitch. ITV, on the other hand, a private company, had a site which crumbled under load. When it did eventually work, it was so poor as to be laughable. It probably wouldn’t even be considered HD and the frame rate couldn’t keep up. It became a running joke on social media. As much as I dislike the license fee, I do appreciate the services and content it funds. Non-partisan, non-commercial news is particularly valuable. I’m glad our TV news hasn’t descended into US style garbage yet.
  - iso1210 5y ago
    I wouldn't watch a live sports match online, certainly not something like an England match in the world cup / euros (think Superbowl if you're American) - you're talking 30-60 second lag. The neighbours cheer at the goal and you're screwed, not to mention things like twitter. The difference between DTT and Satelite is just about OK, but not online.
    - zimpenfish 5y ago
      > I wouldn't watch a live sports match online, certainly not something like an England match Unfortunately, some of us have no choice - no working aerial on this block (and a satellite dish wouldn't help.) It's online or nothing.
mkdirp 5y ago
> especially its partisan news reporting on the current government I just want to say that the BBC has had partisan claims by people from all the aisles. The BBC tends to be more left leaning and progressive with a lot of its coverage, I'm assuming that's mostly because journalists tend to be, however there have been certain "coincidences" when it comes to Conservative coverage. I don't know whether or not they're partisan, but I feel when both left and right leaning people call the BBC partisan, it feels like they're less likely to be partisan.
- iso1210 5y ago
  Most journalists have degrees and are aged between 20 and 50. That demographic is certainly "left leaning". The tory base is * Old people who don't work * People with little education, who aren't skilled enough to work as a journalist https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/12/how-britain-voted-and-why-my-2019-general-election-post-vote-poll/ https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/12/how-britain-voted-and-... You (or whoever is downvoting) might not like that, but the fact is that in the UK context the country is left leaning, but elects the tories because of the split in the left
  - youngtaff 5y ago
    When papers like the Sun and Mail are the most popular in the UK I think it's hard to agree that Britain overall is left leaning As for the BBC it's firmly establishment leaning rather than left leaning in my view, and they also carry a lot of the blame for promoting Farage's poltics e.g. more appearances on question time than anyone else
    - iso1210 5y ago
      > When papers like the Sun and Mail are the most popular in the UK I think it's hard to agree that Britain overall is left leaning "Left leaning" is of course relative. Some claim that Tony Blair is right wing, and Corbyn is the "middle ground". If you claim that then sure Britian is overall right-of-corbyn. But if you take the standard "Lab/Lib/SNP/Green" is left leaning, and "Tory/UKIP/BNP" is right leaning, then as the left have have a majority every election it's quite reasonable to believe what the facts say. Take one look at the election results and you can see there is a constant majority that's "left" A lot of the complaints stems from a perceived view that UKIP were overrepresented on Question Time in the run up to 2015. That's no defence for the claim the BBC is "pro establishment", as Farage and indeed Brexit was quite clearly anti establishment.
odiroot 5y ago
There's also this https://www.jpost.com/opinion/lets-get-long-buried-report-on-bbc-anti-israel-bias-published-672116 https://www.jpost.com/opinion/lets-get-long-buried-report-on...

iso1210 5y ago

> especially its partisan news reporting on the current government Is that pro-government or anti-government in your view?

fiftyacorn 5y ago
They are pro-government, pro-union - but the point is BBC news should be non-partisan
- Proven 5y ago
- midasuni 5y ago
  The government doesn’t appear to have noticed this bias
- Freskis 5y ago
  I would say most UK people consider the BBC to be impartial and neutral, except perhaps for people with more extreme political opinions.
  - pessimizer 5y ago
    > except perhaps for people with more extreme political opinions. Like the people who supported Corbyn, or Scottish independence? You're characterizing people who were a few points from winning as extremists.
    - iso1210 5y ago
      Don't fall for the mistake that everyone voting for X is as polarised or 'extreme' as the activists campaigning for X.
  - iso1210 5y ago
    BBC is certainly the most trusted news outlet https://yougov.co.uk/topics/media/articles-reports/2020/04/29/no-trust-media-has-not-collapsed-because-coronavir https://yougov.co.uk/topics/media/articles-reports/2020/04/2... Although it's only about half
thinkingemote 5y ago
Some comedian said that the left think the BBC is right wing and the right think the BBC is left wing and that means it's doing the right thing.
dfawcus 5y ago
Generally pro government, as in wanting more of it, but anti government of the day.

dazc 5y ago

ITV also make short drama series which are often better, in my opinion, and manage to do this without threatening to send people to jail for not contributing financially. You can subscribe for £3.99 to have an almost ad-free experience too. I doubt the BBC could compete at this level as a subscription only service in its current state though? Worth noting also, the prevelance of BBC ads for its own content which have become something of an irritant over the past few years.

fiftyacorn 5y ago
Yeah i signed up to britbox on the £10 for 3 month deal - its not bad with a mix of BBC, ITV and Channel 4. Lots of content you cant get elsewhere The nostalgic viewing makes it easy to watch
nerdawson 5y ago
BBC and ITV shared coverage of the Euros last year and their streaming offerings couldn’t have been more different. The BBC were airing matches in 4K HDR and their service ran without a hitch. ITV, on the other hand, a private company, had a site which crumbled under load. When it did eventually work, it was so poor as to be laughable. It probably wouldn’t even be considered HD and the frame rate couldn’t keep up. It became a running joke on social media. As much as I dislike the license fee, I do appreciate the services and content it funds. Non-partisan, non-commercial news is particularly valuable. I’m glad our TV news hasn’t descended into US style garbage yet.
- iso1210 5y ago
  I wouldn't watch a live sports match online, certainly not something like an England match in the world cup / euros (think Superbowl if you're American) - you're talking 30-60 second lag. The neighbours cheer at the goal and you're screwed, not to mention things like twitter. The difference between DTT and Satelite is just about OK, but not online.
  - zimpenfish 5y ago
    > I wouldn't watch a live sports match online, certainly not something like an England match Unfortunately, some of us have no choice - no working aerial on this block (and a satellite dish wouldn't help.) It's online or nothing.

mkdirp 5y ago

> especially its partisan news reporting on the current government I just want to say that the BBC has had partisan claims by people from all the aisles. The BBC tends to be more left leaning and progressive with a lot of its coverage, I'm assuming that's mostly because journalists tend to be, however there have been certain "coincidences" when it comes to Conservative coverage. I don't know whether or not they're partisan, but I feel when both left and right leaning people call the BBC partisan, it feels like they're less likely to be partisan.

iso1210 5y ago
Most journalists have degrees and are aged between 20 and 50. That demographic is certainly "left leaning". The tory base is * Old people who don't work * People with little education, who aren't skilled enough to work as a journalist https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/12/how-britain-voted-and-why-my-2019-general-election-post-vote-poll/ https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/12/how-britain-voted-and-... You (or whoever is downvoting) might not like that, but the fact is that in the UK context the country is left leaning, but elects the tories because of the split in the left
- youngtaff 5y ago
  When papers like the Sun and Mail are the most popular in the UK I think it's hard to agree that Britain overall is left leaning As for the BBC it's firmly establishment leaning rather than left leaning in my view, and they also carry a lot of the blame for promoting Farage's poltics e.g. more appearances on question time than anyone else
  - iso1210 5y ago
    > When papers like the Sun and Mail are the most popular in the UK I think it's hard to agree that Britain overall is left leaning "Left leaning" is of course relative. Some claim that Tony Blair is right wing, and Corbyn is the "middle ground". If you claim that then sure Britian is overall right-of-corbyn. But if you take the standard "Lab/Lib/SNP/Green" is left leaning, and "Tory/UKIP/BNP" is right leaning, then as the left have have a majority every election it's quite reasonable to believe what the facts say. Take one look at the election results and you can see there is a constant majority that's "left" A lot of the complaints stems from a perceived view that UKIP were overrepresented on Question Time in the run up to 2015. That's no defence for the claim the BBC is "pro establishment", as Farage and indeed Brexit was quite clearly anti establishment.

odiroot 5y ago

There's also this https://www.jpost.com/opinion/lets-get-long-buried-report-on-bbc-anti-israel-bias-published-672116 https://www.jpost.com/opinion/lets-get-long-buried-report-on...